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#229715 - 08/11/11 10:37 PM Prepper, Survivalist or Worse.
Am_Fear_Liath_Mor Offline
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'Communities Against Terrorism: Potential Indicators of Terrorist Activities Related to Military Surplus Stores', apparently is an FBI document which has been sent to Mil Surplus Stores and indicate to the surplus store that;

“Make bulk purchase of items to include:

Weatherproofed ammunition or match containers

Meals Ready to Eat

Night Vision Devices; night flashlights; gas masks

High capacity magazines

Bi-pods or tri-pods for rifles


Should be reported to their local FBI office.

So where is the line drawn for folks who are tagged as being prepared, being a prepper, being a survivalist or a suspected terrorist? Labels and tags matter when put on internal state security and intelligence databases.





Edited by Am_Fear_Liath_Mor (08/11/11 10:44 PM)

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#229717 - 08/11/11 11:03 PM Re: Prepper, Survivalist or Worse. [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
NuggetHoarder Offline
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If that's the criteria for a terrorist, then I think a lot of Boy Scout and Girl Scout leaders just got put on the watch list. What a waste of tax dollars.

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#229718 - 08/11/11 11:16 PM Re: Prepper, Survivalist or Worse. [Re: NuggetHoarder]
Am_Fear_Liath_Mor Offline
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Quote:
If that's the criteria for a terrorist, then I think a lot of Boy Scout and Girl Scout leaders just got put on the watch list. What a waste of tax dollars.


I think its a little more subtle than that, for example if you own 100+ camping stoves, fixed bladed knifes, field rations, flashlights or SAKs or whatever, the state security intelligence logic ( laugh ) is that no-one would ever need that many and logically you must be secretly acting as a distributed quartermaster for an insurgency group or even worse, where one person within the group holds one individual item for that networked group. wink



Edited by Am_Fear_Liath_Mor (08/11/11 11:17 PM)

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#229721 - 08/12/11 12:30 AM Re: Prepper, Survivalist or Worse. [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
Lono Offline
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I have a hard time imaging bulk MREs as a potential indicator of terrorism - ammonium nitrate in bulk, sure.

Does anyone have a link to the text for this document?

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#229722 - 08/12/11 12:48 AM Re: Prepper, Survivalist or Worse. [Re: Lono]
Am_Fear_Liath_Mor Offline
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Quote:

Does anyone have a link to the text for this document?


Google 'Grant number 2007-MU-BX-K002' will generate the following link along with a few other documents in the series such as 'Potential Indicators of Terrorist Activities Related to Martial Arts and Paintball Activities'. etc.

http://www.infragardlosangeles.org/uploads/Military_Surplus.pdf



Edited by Am_Fear_Liath_Mor (08/12/11 12:57 AM)

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#229723 - 08/12/11 01:16 AM Re: Prepper, Survivalist or Worse. [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
chaosmagnet Offline
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Originally Posted By: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor


Weatherproofed ammunition or match containers

Meals Ready to Eat

Night Vision Devices; night flashlights; gas masks

High capacity magazines

Bi-pods or tri-pods for rifles




I'm screwed.

What's a night flashlight, by the way? If it's different from a regular flashlight I'll need to run out and get some.

Oh, and don't come 'round looking for NVGs or gas masks at my place, I don't have any.

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#229724 - 08/12/11 01:17 AM Re: Prepper, Survivalist or Worse. [Re: chaosmagnet]
sheldon Offline
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Registered: 07/28/11
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Originally Posted By: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor
Google 'Grant number 2007-MU-BX-K002' will generate the following link

It also says "require a valid ID". So now we'll need ID to buy MREs and flashlights?

Originally Posted By: chaosmagnet
What's a night flashlight, by the way?

Maybe an IR flashlight, to go with the night vision goggles?


Edited by sheldon (08/12/11 01:20 AM)

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#229726 - 08/12/11 01:49 AM Re: Prepper, Survivalist or Worse. [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
Bill_G Offline
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It's been awhile, but don't think IR works with NV. We just modified our regular flashlights with red or blue filters to keep from ruining night vision and/or blooming in the goggles. Also turned aircraft night lights (red) way down so we could just read the instruments. We sometimes turned them off completely and just used glow sticks to cover large areas of the instrument panel/engine instruments.

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#229729 - 08/12/11 03:08 AM Re: Prepper, Survivalist or Worse. [Re: ]
EMPnotImplyNuclear Offline
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yup, i definitely think this is "feel good memo" and why not, memos are cheap smile except once in a while, you hear about a clueless dimiwit taking these things too seriously, resulting in a lawsuit opportunity ... the USA does indeed make two dollar bills, they're real smile

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#229730 - 08/12/11 03:26 AM Re: Prepper, Survivalist or Worse. [Re: EMPnotImplyNuclear]
MoBOB Offline
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Registered: 09/17/07
Posts: 1219
Loc: here
Originally Posted By: EMPnotImplyNuclear
... the USA does indeed make two dollar bills, they're real smile
Off topic - I carry one in my wallet. I have had it since 1980. I have not been broke since I received it. You may now return to your regularly scheduled discussion.


Edited by MoBOB (08/12/11 03:26 AM)
Edit Reason: Forget a word . . .
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