#229485 - 08/09/11 01:11 AM
Re: Griz attack followup, needed Spot, not PLB
[Re: clearwater]
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Carpal Tunnel
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Oh, I completely agree- 9 hours was PDQ! I was more commenting on the fact that they didn't know what to expect.
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#229517 - 08/09/11 06:45 PM
Re: Griz attack followup, needed Spot, not PLB
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Registered: 03/19/05
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Loc: Channeled Scablands
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9 hours versus 35 minutes? When two people are critical/serious? Two helicopters responding instead of one, who else might have needed that first 'copter?
Cultural or protocol differences need to be taken into account. A SPOT or some other method of communication may be needed in that geo-political area. Pre-scripted messages might be the way to go.
I see plenty to improve upon. Every incident has opportunity to learn from.
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#229518 - 08/09/11 06:53 PM
Re: Griz attack followup, needed Spot, not PLB
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Registered: 03/19/05
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Loc: Channeled Scablands
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"You raise an interesting point. I go into wilderness and wild places in order to disconnect and to seek solitude, one of the defining characteristics of the wilderness experience.
I think that is why I have been somewhat resistant to obtaining a PLB. For years, I have managed without one, and have reaped the rewards of self-sufficiency and reasonable preparedness. I am not anxious to twitter and facebook when out in the wilds, not even a little bit. "
I agree as an individual. I like to choose the extent to which I must rely on myself.
In this case it was school kids, and reasonable preparedness should be up to a high level.
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#229537 - 08/09/11 09:57 PM
Re: Griz attack followup, needed Spot, not PLB
[Re: chaosmagnet]
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Loc: Channeled Scablands
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Perhaps the instructors, with their Sat phone, should have stuck closer to the group. If they were able to be contacted by NOLS once the PLB was activated, they could have converged on the scene and provided better communication. Is the SPOT that "spotty" in Alaska? And what should they use in the future? Or maybe is unaccompanied travel just not a good idea there. Here is another bear attack on a school group. This time in Norway. Fatality too. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-14456536
Edited by clearwater (08/09/11 09:57 PM)
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#229542 - 08/09/11 10:07 PM
Re: Griz attack followup, needed Spot, not PLB
[Re: clearwater]
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Registered: 06/02/06
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#229560 - 08/09/11 11:56 PM
Re: Griz attack followup, needed Spot, not PLB
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Registered: 12/18/06
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IMHO - The ONLY event in this story that went well was the RESCUE. The PLB eliminated the normal problem - SEARCH. Getting rescued in 8 hours in a wilderness area is perfect. It is your job to be prepared to survive the 8 hours. The idiots involved include the NOLS organization and the parents.
I would love to see the list of BANNED EQUIPMENT that the kids were not allowed to take with them. It may be similar to the list of MANDATORY EQUIPMENT for the planes that fly over the same area.
1. BEAR SPRAY - 8OZ 2. PUMP SHOTGUN - OOO BUCK, SLUG, 000 BUCK, SLUG, 000 BUCK 3. HAND GUN - BIG BORE REVOLVER
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#229605 - 08/10/11 03:22 PM
Re: Griz attack followup, needed Spot, not PLB
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Registered: 01/06/08
Posts: 319
Loc: Canada
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This is a very good point, the wilderness is a dangerous place sometimes and those who go out have a responsibility to "be prepared" and to expect that rescue will take a number of days. That they were rescued within 9 hours was excellent! That anyone expect rescue within a few hours is dangerous.
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#229606 - 08/10/11 03:49 PM
Re: Griz attack followup, needed Spot, not PLB
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Journeyman
Registered: 02/22/07
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IMHO - The ONLY event in this story that went well was the RESCUE. The PLB eliminated the normal problem - SEARCH. Getting rescued in 8 hours in a wilderness area is perfect. It is your job to be prepared to survive the 8 hours. The idiots involved include the NOLS organization and the parents.
I would love to see the list of BANNED EQUIPMENT that the kids were not allowed to take with them. It may be similar to the list of MANDATORY EQUIPMENT for the planes that fly over the same area.
1. BEAR SPRAY - 8OZ 2. PUMP SHOTGUN - OOO BUCK, SLUG, 000 BUCK, SLUG, 000 BUCK 3. HAND GUN - BIG BORE REVOLVER
Agreed. To be "Prepared" in bear country is to be armed.. period. 99% of the time a firearm wont be needed, but when it is it's needed very badly.
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#229621 - 08/10/11 06:02 PM
Re: Griz attack followup, needed Spot, not PLB
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Old Hand
Registered: 03/19/05
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Loc: Channeled Scablands
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This is a very good point, the wilderness is a dangerous place sometimes and those who go out have a responsibility to "be prepared" and to expect that rescue will take a number of days. That they were rescued within 9 hours was excellent! That anyone expect rescue within a few hours is dangerous. Preparing for the best outcome, and expecting something, are two different things. I don't think anyone was expecting quick rescue. In this case the kids took the time to tend to the injured as their first priority. However, if you don't learn and improve from incidents,!!!
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