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#228799 - 07/30/11 12:05 AM Re: Plane Crash Survivor Story [Re: Russ]
PSM Offline
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Registered: 05/26/06
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Loc: Cochise Co., AZ
Originally Posted By: Russ
I'm not aware of a twin engine Cessna prop.


Odd, since they have quite a few.

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#228803 - 07/30/11 12:50 AM Re: Plane Crash Survivor Story [Re: Russ]
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Originally Posted By: Russ
. . . flying without survival gear while crossing large bodies of water is something that's done by folks who haven't had an engine shut down all on its own . . .


+1 - They say and think it will happen to the other guy.
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#228805 - 07/30/11 01:06 AM Re: Plane Crash Survivor Story [Re: PSM]
Russ Offline
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http://www.cessna.com/ The props are all single engine; even the Caravan.
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#228807 - 07/30/11 01:28 AM Re: Plane Crash Survivor Story [Re: Russ]
PSM Offline
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Registered: 05/26/06
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Loc: Cochise Co., AZ
Originally Posted By: Russ
http://www.cessna.com/ The props are all single engine; even the Caravan.


Cessna 310 ring a bell? 421?

I've been a pilot for 45 years. I've flown for and worked as a dispatcher for FAR 135 air charters and FARs 135, 121 Supplemental, 121 Domestic, and 121 Flag airlines and I can count on one hand the number of times we had to feather a prop. You need a better A&P.


Edited by PSM (07/30/11 01:29 AM)

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#228818 - 07/30/11 02:13 PM Re: Plane Crash Survivor Story [Re: PSM]
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Cool, Cessna has a few twin prop models -- I'll eat crow on that. They really didn't ring a bell, but most of my time is in large turbo-props operating from Navy/Air Force/Marine airfields. I've never seen one on the ramp. When I looked at Cessna's website and saw that they had no twins props in the line-up I drew the wrong conclusion. The wiki page shows that at one time (commencing over 50 years ago) the Air Force flew them, predating the Beech King Air's we have now.
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In 1957, the US Air Force selected the Cessna 310 for service as a light utility aircraft for transport and administrative support

With that side-bar behind us, now we can circle back to Izzy's friend who flies a Cessna (or Beech/Piper) twin between the Bahama's and Florida with virtually no survival gear. With your experience, do you have any thoughts regarding flying over-water in small GA aircraft without survival equipment on person? I'm sure it's done every day, but what are your thoughts?
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#228821 - 07/30/11 02:57 PM Re: Plane Crash Survivor Story [Re: Russ]
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Registered: 12/06/07
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Loc: St. Petersburg, Florida
Originally Posted By: Russ
With your experience, do you have any thoughts regarding flying over-water in small GA aircraft without survival equipment on person? I'm sure it's done every day, but what are your thoughts?


In some 50 years of searching for them when they go down (most of it on land) and almost that much flying, ANY flight out of sight of developed areas (you will not need signaling equipment if you go down in a subdivision smile ) should REQUIRE survival gear. I like the old Alaska and Canada requirements, but I do think they should apply everywhere and always when out of town in any state.

Two engines do not change my attitude. Especially in the Rockies (although to a degree in most places) light twins just glide farther than singles when an engine goes out. The Blue Canoe (the Air Force 310) was particularly bad about that. Twins also have twice the likelyhood of an engine failure.

I am of the old school, I carry the critical gear on my person and then back it up with a good kit in the plane. If I am searching, over water or over terrain where a successful off airport landing is in question, it is always a complete kit in a vest. Over water, the vest is inflatable or under a life vest (although that does require careful packing for access).

Sometimes over the Great Plains, I get lax and only carry the minimum (PSK, FAK, Knife, matches, etc.) on my body. The vest and the aircraft kit are easily accessable. Probably not one of my better ideas.

Respectfully,

Jerry

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#228823 - 07/30/11 04:08 PM Re: Plane Crash Survivor Story [Re: MoBOB]
Susan Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
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Loc: W. WA
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Originally Posted By: Russ
. . . flying without survival gear while crossing large bodies of water is something that's done by folks who haven't had an engine shut down all on its own . . .


+1 - They say and think it will happen to the other guy.


Flying so high with their heads in the sky...

It ALWAYS happens to the other guy, dontchaknow?

Sue

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#228827 - 07/30/11 04:38 PM Re: Plane Crash Survivor Story [Re: MoBOB]
Doug_Ritter Offline

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Registered: 01/28/01
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Originally Posted By: MoBOB
Originally Posted By: Russ
. . . flying without survival gear while crossing large bodies of water is something that's done by folks who haven't had an engine shut down all on its own . . .


+1 - They say and think it will happen to the other guy.


As I like to tell my audiences, "It may well be true that it always happens to 'the other guy,' but YOU are the 'other guy' to everyone else."

If it isn't with you, it can't save you.™ Carry you most critical survival gear ON YOUR PERSON. For overwater flights, that means your life vest and signaling gear, and a knife, minimum.

He was smart enough to have carried a "locator beacon," not smart enough to have it on his person or to have a life vest.

http://www.bakersfieldnow.com/news/national/126399728.html?ref=morestories

This guy was incredibly lucky his will to live didn't give out before his body did. I don't recommend that as your only survival strategy


Edited by Doug_Ritter (07/30/11 04:59 PM)
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#228849 - 07/31/11 11:49 AM Re: Plane Crash Survivor Story [Re: bacpacjac]
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Registered: 08/22/09
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Loc: PNW
Seventeen hours in cold northern water without succumbing to hypothermia? My 'best guess' is he was not a small (read thin) man. I am thinking he must have had some 'reserves' stored as part of himself (chunky/chunky+/typical American these days)as an adipose tissue (fat) barrier to the cold water. Either that or he is an individual who is somewhat used to the cold. Cold toleration can be trained over time (NOT pleasant). An example would be SEAL training.
Anyhow here is one of those rare chances I get to justify the 'reserves' I pack around all day/every day. :-)

gimpy

Not to minimize the tremendous value of a strong 'will to live'.....
Likely it took both.
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