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#226500 - 06/23/11 03:58 PM Re: Accidental firestarters [Re: Richlacal]
Susan Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
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I checked out the compost thing a couple of years ago when I was planning to put a compost pile near a building. All the studies indicated that any pile less than 7'x'7'x7' would not ignite.

Apparently, the biggest offender was green hay stored in a barn. When too green, it starts to compost and the internal temperature rises high enough to spontaneously combust, and there goes another barn. Not to mention the hay.

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#226513 - 06/23/11 07:47 PM Re: Accidental firestarters [Re: PSM]
JBMat Offline
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Registered: 03/03/09
Posts: 745
Loc: NC
Mythbusters showed soda cans, polished with chocolate, being used as a firestarter. Also, an ice lens used like a magnifying glass. However, while I am not going to start littering, I am not going to much worry about pop cans and ice starting major forest fires.

I am more worried about off road vehicles in dry brush, irresponsible campers with fires, people burning garbage in 55 gallon drums in the summer during a drought, careless smokers tossing butts out windows, and kids playing with matches.

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#226584 - 06/24/11 02:54 PM Re: Accidental firestarters [Re: JBMat]
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The ignition of a wildfire around here that eventually burned 21,000 acres (the Wolf fire) was attributed to sparks generated by target shooting at metallic objects.

I worked on a project a few years ago where we were using hand tools in rocky grassland. We definitely were throwing off sparks fairly regularly. Fortunately no fire resulted, but we were watching.
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#226613 - 06/24/11 09:37 PM Re: Accidental firestarters [Re: Byrd_Huntr]
PSM Offline
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Registered: 05/26/06
Posts: 77
Loc: Cochise Co., AZ
Originally Posted By: Byrd_Huntr

As some might recall from the movie title "Farenheit 451", that is the ignition point of dry paper (233 °C). This is a couple of hundred degrees hotter than the 160 °F or so that it takes to feel 'hot'.

My personal opinion is that there is far more igniton danger from your catalytic converter (which can reach 750°F on the outer surface) than there is from your hubcaps.


I wonder what the ignition temp is of dried grass. I held some paper at the focus of the reflection and, after several minutes, got a bit of scorching. I should have tried the dried grass. A saving point is that the apparent motion of the sun would not keep the focus in one spot for very long.

I agree with your point about the CC, but it is not sitting there, hot, for 6 to 8 hours a day.

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