Originally Posted By: MostlyHarmless
[quote=Denis]

For the reasons stated above, I am extremely sceptical for any construction where the load bearing construction is the inner tent, and where the fly is just something that is clipped onto the inner tent+poles. I assume there would be ways to design such constructions to be weather robust, and probably ways of pitching them in bad weather (without soaking the inner tent before the fly is in place). Untill I've actually tried it and being proved wrong my gut feeling is that this really isn't a good way to make weather robust tents. A robust load bearing "outer tent" where the inner tent is something that dangles inside it is what I prefer.


Nearly all of my winter camping experience has been in tents of this construction, with the inner tent carrying the load, particularly the North Face VE-25, a venerable classic. Strictly speaking, it wasn't winter, but July on Denali at 14,000+ feet exposed us to -80 degree F wind chill and plenty of near hurricane force winds. I have also used, many years ago, an even more venerable classic, the REI McKinley. If the tent is designed, constructed, and used properly for winter conditions, they work fine.

I would imagine that is equally true of your preferred design, which also usually gives you the option of packing just the fly for a lighter weight alternative.

What is really critical is site selection and site "improvement". On Denali, you either occupied a recently vacated tent site with a snow block wind wall, or you built one, sometimes before you erected the tent. During a blizzard (the aforementioned -80 wind chill, which also featured winds forecast at 80MPH) you tend to your tent regularly. We carefully dressed up a tent mate every two hours and sent the Chosen One out to clear driven snow off the tent - great fun!

I used winter tents on a project on the Channel Islands, primarily because we were subject to high winds - evening events of 50 to 60 MPH, called "Sundowners." We could pitch our tents in any spot we liked when in camp. One person chose a location with a stunning view, but found out one evening that it was an excessively windy spot. The wind literally blew her tent apart. Meanwhile, I blissfully slept through the episode, in a tent pitched about 300 feet away in a very scenic, but brush protected, location.

It's location, location, location.
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