Actually, I thought the thread was getting interesting. There's a large philosophical gap between people who see survival as a reversion to the primitive and those who don't, which I think is just a subset of the huge gap between people preparing for permanent disruption (apparently there have always been those), and those who prepare for temporary emergencies. "Survival" means drastically different things to each camp.<br><br>I don't think it undermines the implicit philosophical foundations of this site to discuss the difference... but it's not my call.<br>