#212891 - 12/12/10 02:43 PM
Re: 1st Look: ACR ResQLink - Smallest Lightest PLB YET
[Re: Doug_Ritter]
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Looks good. Any idea on when it will get FCC authorization? Smaller & lighter goes a long way when it's also better.
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#212895 - 12/12/10 09:23 PM
Re: 1st Look: ACR ResQLink - Smallest Lightest PLB YET
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While I retain a fondness for the St. Bernard and a cask of brandy, this is small and light enough that I am tempted, Luddite that I am.
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#212902 - 12/12/10 11:10 PM
Re: 1st Look: ACR ResQLink - Smallest Lightest PLB YET
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Is this of the 'pay for it all at once' or the 'pay a fee every year' type?
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#212913 - 12/13/10 12:55 AM
Re: 1st Look: ACR ResQLink - Smallest Lightest PLB YET
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Is this of the 'pay for it all at once' or the 'pay a fee every year' type? This is a PLB, unlike SPOT there are no service fees for the emergency signaling services. The price you pay for the unit is all you have to pay unless you want to use the 406 Link Messaging Service. If you don't want the extra features, you still have a completely functioning emergency device.
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#212919 - 12/13/10 03:26 AM
Re: 1st Look: ACR ResQLink - Smallest Lightest PLB YET
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I love this trend of PLBs (and gear in general) getting smaller and lighter. With PLBs it means I'll always be able to carry it on my person. With other gear, traveling lighter means less fatigue and, therefore, safer romps through the forest. While I'm not a ultra light hiker/camper, I do realize that and ounce here and an ounce there can really add up. Ditto, at this rate I'll be carrying one in the next couple years. Great to see the progress on the PLB front.
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#212926 - 12/13/10 04:57 AM
Re: 1st Look: ACR ResQLink - Smallest Lightest PLB YET
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I just recently picked up a SarLink View. Size and cost aside and from a pure functional viewpoint I'm wondering how it stacks up against the ResQLink.
Is information available in regards to transmit watts ERP ?
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#212929 - 12/13/10 06:41 AM
Re: 1st Look: ACR ResQLink - Smallest Lightest PLB YET
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I suppose this one will also won't be user-rechargeable? Will the unit need to be returned to the factory for battery replacement if it's ever deployed?
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#212941 - 12/13/10 01:38 PM
Re: 1st Look: ACR ResQLink - Smallest Lightest PLB YET
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I suppose this one will also won't be user-rechargeable? Will the unit need to be returned to the factory for battery replacement if it's ever deployed? PLBs currently are prohibited from having rechargeable batteries. The PLB would need to go to a service center for battery replacement. If used for a real survival situation, the manufacturer almost always simply replaces the unit as a courtesy or services it for you. As for end of service life issues, in 5-6 years the new PLBs available will be smaller and cheaper and nobody expects to be replacing batteries. PLBs have become disposable, effectively.
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#212951 - 12/13/10 05:45 PM
Re: 1st Look: ACR ResQLink - Smallest Lightest PLB YET
[Re: Doug_Ritter]
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I just recently picked up a SarLink View. Size and cost aside and from a pure functional viewpoint I'm wondering how it stacks up against the ResQLink.
Is information available in regards to transmit watts ERP ?
The answers to your questions are in the article. Yes, I read in the article "ACR claims that the ResQLink will always exceed 5 watts output" but was wondering if there was a more concrete measurement? Does "always exceed" mean 5.1 ? I like the size of ResQLink compared to my SarLink View and being able save space in my pack would be terrific. The SarLink is rated at 6.3 watts. Is there a point of diminishing return on output wattage? Would 6.3 versus 5 watts have a real world difference?
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#212953 - 12/13/10 06:13 PM
Re: 1st Look: ACR ResQLink - Smallest Lightest PLB YET
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Yes, I read in the article "ACR claims that the ResQLink will always exceed 5 watts output" but was wondering if there was a more concrete measurement? Does "always exceed" mean 5.1 ?
I like the size of ResQLink compared to my SarLink View and being able save space in my pack would be terrific. The SarLink is rated at 6.3 watts. Is there a point of diminishing return on output wattage? Would 6.3 versus 5 watts have a real world difference?
I cannot offer more info than what ACR has provided. And, it is not something that is easy to measure, so we must rely on them for that info. I would expect that if they could reliably transmit at higher power, they would say so. They have every reason to do so and no reason to not. As to the effect it has, the system performance baseline is predicated on 5 watts nominal +/- 2 watts (going by memory). So there's plenty of link margin there at far less than 5 watts. The link margin does not increase in a straight line, so the difference is not as great as it seems. We have been working at typically 5 watts or less for a long time. Nothing I'd give a second thought about, personally.
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#212971 - 12/13/10 10:08 PM
Re: 1st Look: ACR ResQLink - Smallest Lightest PLB YET
[Re: Doug_Ritter]
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My issue with the ACR battery is that you use up battery life if you subscribe to the "I'm OK" etc. messaging service. This option to send such a message is valuable to me. As a frequent soloist there are plenty of situations where I may not exit the woods at the agreed upon time but I'm not needing rescue:
- weather that had to be waited out
- unexpected difficulty with the terrain that slowed me down or forced a re-route
- delay due to helping out another party
That's why the Spot 2 keeps looking attractive. I know ETS isn't thrilled with the Spot 2 but there are other serious evaluations where it did quite well. BackPackingLight.com did one such eval, but it requires a subscription to read.
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#212976 - 12/13/10 10:44 PM
Re: 1st Look: ACR ResQLink - Smallest Lightest PLB YET
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My issue with the ACR battery is that you use up battery life if you subscribe to the "I'm OK" etc. messaging service. This option to send such a message is valuable to me. As a frequent soloist there are plenty of situations where I may not exit the woods at the agreed upon time but I'm not needing rescue:
- weather that had to be waited out
- unexpected difficulty with the terrain that slowed me down or forced a re-route
- delay due to helping out another party
That's why the Spot 2 keeps looking attractive. I know ETS isn't thrilled with the Spot 2 but there are other serious evaluations where it did quite well. BackPackingLight.com did one such eval, but it requires a subscription to read.
For what is worth, the SPOT 2 that I was given to demo worked well for about a week and then failed to work AT all. There was no chance for a serious evaluation, it stopped getting a GPS fix or sending messages/tracking completely.
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#212996 - 12/14/10 06:16 AM
Re: 1st Look: ACR ResQLink - Smallest Lightest PLB YET
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I didn't realize the law prohibited rechargeable battery. There's probably some rationale behind it but it doesn't make much sense to me.
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#213003 - 12/14/10 12:41 PM
Re: 1st Look: ACR ResQLink - Smallest Lightest PLB YET
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"PLBs currently are prohibited from having rechargeable batteries." Doug, rechargeable or replaceable? If McMurdo can have replaceable batteries,can ACR have the same thing or is that strictly a US law? Also is there any way they can put a external adapter to allow plug in to a car battery, solar, battery pack or so forth to work around the law? http://www.rei.com/product/791973I had waited for ACR to come out with something awhile back but due to how slow they are to come to production with things I ended up with the fast find 210 and like it except for the cap design. The ACR looks very nice and I like the design and when it's time to replace mine for batteries I may get one unless McMurdo Counters this design by making a removable battery and a a better design of the cap which holds the antenna to allow for multiple use, which really is a small design change to counter this design. I hope ACR will look into seeing if there is a way to add replaceable batteries and or external power jack as a workaround before release of production. They had said first quarter release, I'm thinking very late 1st quarter or slip into second quarter at the very least. With a replaceable battery pack, a extra battery can be modified to accept external power, I did that with the steripen and other devices to where I can hook it to a regulator and a solar cell. Anyway, thanks for the update and hopefully the competition between the different manufactures will continue to lead to better products.
Edited by falcon5000 (12/14/10 12:58 PM)
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#213005 - 12/14/10 01:14 PM
Re: 1st Look: ACR ResQLink - Smallest Lightest PLB YET
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"PLBs currently are prohibited from having rechargeable batteries." Doug, rechargeable or replaceable? If McMurdo can have replaceable batteries,can ACR have the same thing or is that strictly a US law? Also is there any way they can put a external adapter to allow plug in to a car battery, solar, battery pack or so forth to work around the law? http://www.rei.com/product/791973I had waited for ACR to come out with something awhile back but due to how slow they are to come to production with things I ended up with the fast find 210 and like it except for the cap design. The ACR looks very nice and I like the design and when it's time to replace mine for batteries I may get one unless McMurdo Counters this design by making a removable battery and a a better design of the cap which holds the antenna to allow for multiple use, which really is a small design change to counter this design. I hope ACR will look into seeing if there is a way to add replaceable batteries and or external power jack as a workaround before release of production. They had said first quarter release, I'm thinking very late 1st quarter or slip into second quarter at the very least. With a replaceable battery pack, a extra battery can be modified to accept external power, I did that with the steripen and other devices to where I can hook it to a regulator and a solar cell. Anyway, thanks for the update and hopefully the competition between the different manufactures will continue to lead to better products. Replaceable is allowed, rechargeable is not, at this time. All the batteries are replaceable, but only the one model of McMurdo is readily user replaceable. You will note that the follow-on generation is NOT replaceable. It caused many issues and was not deemed to be a success or an an important feature. Nobody else has done it for good reason. External power is not allowed. PLBs are self-contained distress beacons that are designed to sit around for years and then work when needed. Some manufacturers want to be able to use rechargeable batteries for power density reasons (IOW so they can be made smaller), BUT so far the U.S. has balked and see no signs of that changing soon. It is revisited regularly and at some point I expect it will be allowed, when other issues are addressed. Most critically, the idea is they need to work reliably and even when ignored for long periods of time. To date, the market has not demanded these features. PLBs are evolving and there are other devices, such as SPOT, that address some of these issues, but all represent compromises. You pick the compromise that works best for you.
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#213006 - 12/14/10 02:02 PM
Re: 1st Look: ACR ResQLink - Smallest Lightest PLB YET
[Re: Doug_Ritter]
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Doug -- Is battery type an FCC issue or an FAA issue? Seems FCC shouldn't care, but FAA very much cares that the unit have stringent battery life/reliability specs.
With a rechargeable battery that spec would be lost. Even with zero leakage, when was it last used and when was it last recharged?
Perhaps a non-FAA compliant PLB could be made for non-aircraft use that uses a rechargeable battery, but would it be in the manufacturer's interest to make it? Who gets blamed when the rechargeable isn't and the battery fails?
Thinking out loud . .
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#213011 - 12/14/10 02:59 PM
Re: 1st Look: ACR ResQLink - Smallest Lightest PLB YET
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Thanks, a little search brings me to: What Price Your Life? Distress Alerting as a Commercial Service The RTCM (Radio Technical Commission for Maritime Services) Annual Meeting and Conference was held the week of May 5, 2008. I was asked to make a presentation as part of a panel discussing “Innovative Satellite Technologies.” Invitations to be included on the panel were sent to a number of organizations currently marketing distress alerting and distress communications services, or planning to do so (SPOT, the only service currently being marketed to consumers, was invited according to RTCM, but did not attend). My topic wasn’t about any particular service, per se, but rather was addressed to those attending or considering such service. The provocative title was, “What Price Your Life? Distress Alerting as a Commercial Service.”
While RTCM is ostensibly about maritime service, by the vagaries of such things, they have also become the standard setting body in the United States for PLBs (Personal Locator Beacons). The RTCM SC110 sub-committee develops standards for PLBs, as well as EPIRBs. I have been involved for some time now as the sole “consumer advocate” on a committee made up of industry, manufacturer, government and search and rescue representatives. A revised RTCM standard for PLBs was approved just prior to the annual meeting (click for more about this revised standard). A revised RTCM standard for EPIRBs is next on the agenda.. . .
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#213012 - 12/14/10 03:10 PM
Re: 1st Look: ACR ResQLink - Smallest Lightest PLB YET
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More at A Better PLB Standard Approved Note that the article was written June 3, 2008. It shows the process of revising a standard. It isn't like one guy makes the decision.
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#213030 - 12/14/10 08:06 PM
Re: 1st Look: ACR ResQLink - Smallest Lightest PLB YET
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Right now there's no perfect solution. Yeah, that's pretty much the long & short of it right there. At least there's forward progress.
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