Awesome post Art! thanks, I enjoyed your reply. I like the carabiner use, and I have a semi permanent line that I use to squeeze the trailer sides inward and I used the carabiner on that to get a bit more pull. I'm going to try the extra turn on that figure 8, sounds like a smart addition. I keep a few 3/8" pulley's that fit this rope perfectly in the car; have used them a couple times already!