I'm looking for a backpack system that will combine a few worlds: day hiking, camping, backpacking, and go-bag. I envision that the day hiking contains the essential things (water, snacks, change of underwear, towel, etc.) and can be used for day hiking and a go-bag. If I'm going with a meal, I attach another bag (preferably by clips) with the food stuffs. If I'm going to be staying overnight, I can clip on the bag that has the sleeping equipment.

Has anyone seen a good arrangement for this?

I'm focused on simplicity, though if the price is too high, packing doubles of everything might be better. I consider that an annoyance, but that's a lot better than repacking bags for every trip and forgetting things.

In all my years of trekking the back and high country, I have wished many times that such a modular system existed...and tried many times to invent it.

Unfortunately due to many factors that have to be taken into account such as (and not limited to) ecosystem, terrain, time of year, weather, distance, your physical condition, number of people in the hiking group etc. These factors then have to be examined closer, for example: What is the defintion of good weather, what is your definition of a day trip, what is your definition of a good meal at the end of day, what is your definition of adaquate gear, what is your definition of easy terrain as compared to others who may also be in your hiking group...and so on.

When you factor in all the above (and more), having a one size pack that fits all that can then be added to via a modular ssytem is not an easy undertaking.

That being said and as I mentioned above, I spent years wishing it was this easy however I long ago found that such a system does not exist that works for me. One critical thing I do not like about a clip on type of modular system is the weight distribution shifts as you add gear to the outside of the pack. This may not be critical if you are hiking along gently rolling land with a good trail, however it can mean the difference between life and death as you precariousy pick your way up a mountain goat trail you are following to get to the peak of an 9000' mountain.

What does work for me though is having a very broad and diverse base kit system to choose from that allows me to tailor each and every hiking or camping trip to it's specific need..and also allowing for some flexibility for other unknown factors that may arise later. This base kit is always in one backpack and can be easily transferred to any of the 7 other backpacks I own. These backpacks all have a specific purpose and range from small daytrip size to good weather / 1-2 night sizes to expedition size that will easily carry enough gear for week long remote trips. No matter what gear I take, it will fit in the back pack of choice and I don't have to worry that my cookware which was attached to the outside of the pack, fell off 7 miles and 4000' behind and below us...yes I have seen this happen to someone.

If you really are intent in carrying a modular system, there are very few civilian pack designs that would work and you should really look into a military based MOLLE system.

I think you will find that a bag of about 4000 cu in capacity will give you maximum versatility - cinch it up for day trips and expand it for longer jaunts. You can use a bag of this size for trips of up to a week quite comfortably. For true expeditions, I fear there is no recourse other than a dedicated pack of upwards of 6000 cu in.

Modules make a lot of sense, but I would think in terms of units that can be placed inside your main sack, rather than exterior units. You do not want a lot of stuff on the outside of your pack, unless you are traveling exclusively on well manicured trails, and never putting your pack in boats or planes.

I would agree with Teslinhiker that a well designed mod system would be very nice. That a good one isn't readily available says something.

For longer trips of any complexity, I think you will find that you will be packing unique configurations of gear in any event.

ki4buc,
I use a Tactical Tailor Urban Operator pack. It is really just for day trips, but it has many useful functions. There is a side pocket that will hold a 1L bottle, which zips closed when not needed. The back pocket holds the laptop around town during commute by public transit (other flat items when hiking). A laptop is very important in an urban emergency, since it provides means to communicate with family members, govt agencies, and insurance companies in a time efficient manner. (It also stores family photos and helps if having to look for a job because of being displaced by longer term emergencies.)The front "admin" pocket is a good place for wallet, other pocket items, etc. I keep the bag next to my bed at night, so I can grab it in case of fire, etc. For this "night" duty, I add a stuff sack with a complete change of clothes. When hiking, I remove the town stuff and add my hiking gear that I keep in stuff sacks. Basically, an internal "modular" system.

Spud

Molly Mac Gear sells a system that's basically a backboard with straps and loops for mollie gear clips. The premise is that you lash on stuff sacks as you see fit for your need, fewer for short trips and more for longer trips. It also allows for attaching other items in your gear; axes, hydration bladders, etc. Totally customizable.

Small cotage industry run by a very reputable individual who is commited to quality products and satisfied customers.

The only thing I can visualize for myself is the basic smaller backpack with the addition of a separate belt that can hold stuff on its own. Mind you, I have never seen the belt, I would probably have to invent it and that hasn't happened.

Sue

A military Pistol belt with Pouches?

I think I know what you're talking about, but those canvas military-type belts are too thick and bulky. If I'm going to have bulk, it had better be USEFUL bulk!

I'm thinking some kind of belt that has loops, clips and containers that can be moved around the belt.

I started thinking of this after reading about that woman whose young son died at the edge of Death Valley last summer, a lousy (and simple) 20 miles from a paved road. They had a case of bottled water, and the first thing that occurred to me was that with some string or cord, they could have made "belts" of slipknots that tightened around the necks of the bottles, and walked out the first night. Instead, they sat in the useless car for four days waiting for rescue, after they had changed their destination without telling anyone.

Sue

http://www.9thdivision.com/Equipment/Field_Gear/M1936_Pistol_Belt.gif

With what your saying the best bet would be a bulky belt. With pouches and containers and such having stability and displacement of weight is important. Not only is plenty of surplus pouches and belts for cheap but the belt has eyelets which can easily hang items such as bottles off of with string with less discomfort (cept the bottles slapping around your thighs as you walk).

Jansport just came out w/ their retro external frame pack. It is very modular in the current design but it's a large frame ruck. I would begin by dividing ur mods into zippered pouches. Then when u have what u want in them u can start to pare it down. Then figure out what is EDC, what is car kept, what is hiking kit, etc and find a pack that works for all.

How about the Snugpak Rocket Pak System. Here are a couple of reviews.

http://www.oldjimbo.com/Outdoors-Magazine/Snugpak-RocketPak-review.pdf

http://www.zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=52319

Or you could get a Karrimor Sabre 45 and purchase the compatible PLCE side pouches and Snugpak yoke separately. It is more expensive though.

I've been wanting to find something modular myself. A small backpack for daytrips, hiking, biking, etc. Then be able to add on a second pouch with some of my bob's eletrconics and com gear, stuff I don't need to carry out but keep in the bob for a bugout/bug in situation.

Check out the military Mollie belt or stripped Mollie vest.

The belt is just a thick padded belt with empty mollie attach points. The vest is the same except it has two front panels with empty attach points and straps that go down your back to the rear of the belt.

Link to mollie vest.

The above link is to a used vest. I got a new one for the same price

I have both the belt and the vest. There is an almost unending number of pocket, holsters, water carriers, small to gigantic packs etc. available for this system. I have been using mollie stuff for years. It is very reliable, easy to use, versatile and available. Prices run from low for used military to absurd for custom made.

The mollie attachment system is very good. Easy (although not always quick) to re-arrange. We change according to the days task, the environment and the weather.

Nomad.

If this is what you want I vote for the Snugpak Rocket Pak - I use one for multi-day hikes, and I think I got it from Redflare via this website. Its an extremely good pack for heavier loads, goes modular if you want that, though you want to play with the configurations a bit to get used to rigging them comfortably. I don't actually go modular much if at all (attach the side packs to the yoke), I use the Rocket Pack for my heavy hauling, 40 lbs or more, and that usually comes midway through an early season hike when younger Scouts realize they're carrying far too much (this year I'm getting better at this, I vow to strip unnecessary weight off Tenderfoots in the parking lot before we leave for the trailhead - like Willem Dafoe in the movie "Platoon". Guaranteed to scare the hell out of watching parents though). Its huge - I have yet to pack it to full capacity. Its comfortable for me, I don't use the hip belt, and I like the integrated rain covers (choice of two, brown and some kind of camoflauge design).

While there's alot of overlap between my hiking, backpacking and BoB contents, the contents are easily shifted about, but ymmv. Have a look at the Kelty MAP 3500, do a search in this forum for views and reviews, for $99 or less its a great deal, purchasable from Amron International. The MAP 3500 is my everday pack, I have two others that function as full-time BOBs. Very pleased with this very functional pack.

Usual disclaimer: no interest or reimbursement from Snugpak, Redflare, Kelty, Amron or anyone else, just a happy camper.

This shop makes a big modular backpack.

http://thewildernesswanderer.com/

That website looks like it has not been updated in about 10 years. "<!--This file created 12:20 PM 26/01/00 by Claris Home Page version 3.0--> "

Also those probable 10 year old prices are extremely expensive. Also submitting credit card information through a non SSL secured page...no thanks.

Got a link for it? (the Jansport) I just looked on their site and didn't see the one I was thinking of

Colorama, you're absolutely right, it doesn't pass the smell test.

If you look at the http headers (in firefox tools, page info) you'll see it was last modified Tuesday, June 26, 2007 6:40:14 AM. That is three decades without updates in human time.


Even if https was used it wouldn't help this guy, the forms action url is
www3.telus.net/cgi-bin/mailto.cgi?somethingAATATATtelus.net
thats a different domain, and somethingAATATATtelus.net is not the email advertised ( infoATATATATthewildernesswanderer... )

its probably against the terms of use for telus to use that interface for credit cards

Maybe he is a prince from Nigeria?

email without public key encryption is no way to accept credit card information. if you're going to accept that, unplug your computer from the internet and only accept phone orders

Oregon Packworks is a new company based in Bend, OR.

I saw their demo at a SAR meeting last week. Pretty impressive.

Not cheap.

Please check out: www.oregonpackworks.com

Blake
www.outdoorquest.biz

There's this
http://www.luxurylite.com/stackpackindex.html

my bad, it was Gear Junkie, not Backpacker. here is the LINK

Meant to reply ALOT sooner, but got side tracked. So many different options to look at.

As a number of you mentioned, the fact there isn't a popular system shows how difficult it is. What I would call a "daypack" might not be what others do, and that makes sense.

I'm going to check out all I can up there, might reply with some questions, but I'll give more thought on the packing everything in smaller compression sacks, bags and baggies.

My biggest issue was those parts of the backpacks that are "sectioned" for things like pens, hooking keys, etc. Everything fits great, but a PIA to move between packs!

For the record, my two packs are:

Osprey Atmos 50
North Face Neutron 32

As Outdoor_quest mentioned, Oregon Packworks sounds like it's just what you asked about. I know a couple of hunters who have raved about it.

Anything that customizable will be heavier, obviously. What also adds weight to Packworks is the ability to carry a heavy load. Not as handy backpacking, but for hunting and especially a bug out bag where you might want to salvage something heavy, it's nice to be able to carry 100lbs a short distance.

J

Don't forget about their piggyback system.

I'd love to go with one of their smaller, flat packs like the Marauder and then piggyback something like their E&E.

Note another good thing about Kifaru vs other stuff like Maxpedition (although I like and have a BUNCH of Maxpedition gear), is they appear to pay a lot more attention to suspension systems.

Alas, they are a bit pricey.

-john