I start this thread in hopes it will keep this debate out of the "best second weapon in the arsenal" thread. My point in that thread is that choosing a concealable weapon is, for me, too mired in political, legal, and practical complexity.

I offer the following just to kick off a discussion in which I do not intend to take further part. In no way do I intend anything here as a legal opinion or advice on which anyone should rely; this is just for entertainment at best.

My oversimplified take, after less than an hour trying to make sense of the California concealable weapon topic, is that you can carry a loaded pistol only with a permit in very limited circumstances unless you are in public safety. You can however, transport an unloaded pistol in many circumstances, though often it appears that requires the pistol to be locked in a container separate from its ammunition.

In addition, hunting regulations ban the carrying and possession of pistols in archery seasons and on most public waterfowl hunting land, to name just a few instances.

Clearly there are those who interpret the laws differently, or want them interpreted differently, or want them changed to allow wider use of and ability to carry pistols. You should consider sll this as carefully as you think advisable.

Let the games begin!

I recommend not participating in this game.

This is not an appropriate forum or website for the topic.(my opinion)

Yeah, this is going to be shut down soon.

But, to offer more food for thought: the national parks are now apparently OK to carry a non-concealed weapon. I wonder how that'll play out while in CA - does federal or state jurisdiction take precedence?

That is pretty easy.
DON'T CARRY ONE

My interest in the legal peculiarities of fire arms in California (which, literary, is on the other side of the world) is purely academic. (And yes, I'm a nosy fellow that sometimes will dig into peculiar stuff just for the fun of it) Some of the peculiarities are quite amusing: Allowed except in archery hunting season??? Hard to grasp the logic behind that...


My 2 cents: I would think the subject would be appropriate for the forum. What kind of fire arm, how and when can you carry it, when is it absolutely illegal and so on. Nothing wrong there... just don't divert into politics. You may or may not like the law, but the law is the law, and it would probably be a good idea to discuss what the law actually is and isn't. It is kind of weird if you can discuss calibers, but not the pitfalls you need to avoid to legally carry a weapon?


Now discussion of the people who pass the laws, if the law is a good law or a bad law ... plenty of other forums where you can discuss those.

DING DING! Give the man a prize, he won.

It's simple....

In the subset of situations where it's legal to carry,
assuming you're carrying, and
assuming you know what particular matrix of geographic, time and mechanical characteristics of the gun allow you to legally carry a gun in California....

What would you carry?

visit the calguns website for legal information.

Oh, and in CA you can carry the ammunition in the same locked container as the unloaded handgun.

???

In MN you can't carry a firearm while bow hunting for deer.
You can always carry a flashlight. They can be used to temporarily blind someone, or as an impact weapon. Some are better designesd for this i.e. some Surefires. I carry a yellow Surefire. Easy to find if it's dropped in the woods, and some people have issues with black things. I figure it's the least threatining. I do have other flashlight of various colors too.

I would agree. If you are in California, Chicago, New York City, or Washington DC it is simply not an option at this time. Practically, it is easy and painless to choose a concealed carry firearm. But politically and legally, in a handful of places, you are just out of luck and it probably isn't worth the effort to even try. Unless you are "trying" for all the people confined to those areas and are willing to challange their current laws in the courts. This does work, but it takes time.