#205783 - 08/09/10 02:06 AM
Re: Guns in Yellowstone
[Re: ponder]
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Geezer in Chief
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Simple. Apparently the campground, while near Yellowstone, is not within the park. Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
More sriously, campground rules are likely to be very different within the park, as opposed to CGs in other jurisdictions.
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#205800 - 08/09/10 06:15 PM
Re: Guns in Yellowstone
[Re: haertig]
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I believe the thread has been hijacked!
The topic making current world news involves the threats against human lives posed by bears and escaped murderers in and about Yellowstone National Park.
If firearms or pepper spray are not equipment for survival, I don't know what is.
If there are those that are not comfortable with firearms, I most certainly recommend that they reframe from using them. They can always turn the other cheek. It works twice.
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#205803 - 08/09/10 07:24 PM
Re: Guns in Yellowstone
[Re: MartinFocazio]
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Registered: 04/01/10
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Loc: Northern California
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Ponder,
We have ample cases where pepper spray has been used against bears and human beings.
There have also been cases where human beings have used firearms in self-defense, and these are documented as well.
The subject at hand is "escaped murderers in national parks" as a threat potential for your visit to Yellowstone and so on.
If we take the class of people we're concerned with as A. "escaped murderers" or the a sub-class within that set B. "escaped murderers who kill others while escaped" or further refine that to C. "escaped murderers who kill others while escaped and in national parks"
The decision factor here is if you consider scenario "C" as one that is of sufficient probability to warrant carrying a firearm or now.
You add to this risk assessment the threat level you see from aggressive wild animals, in particular bears and you then come up with a total threat level where you would consider a firearm a piece of gear worth the weight and size in your kit.
You then add in the utility of the tool against other threats you might face, including hunger or a need to signal others in an emergency.
In my threat assessment, scenario "C" is highly unlikely, however, threat levels from wild animals are higher, and the need to signal or obtain meat higher still. So in my assessment, "C" is one of the smallest factors that contributes to packing a firearm - but I do pack one because it's a versatile tool for more than one reason. Above, you said real cases, not hypothesis. Is it OK to discuss theories or not?
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#205808 - 08/09/10 08:00 PM
Re: Guns in Yellowstone
[Re: MartinFocazio]
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Pooh-Bah
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So, you advocate carrying a firearm, and you cited specific and object reasons why in support of your position.
Fits very, very well into my "narrow" definition and is a perfectly acceptable and good contribution to a volatile topic.
Thanks. OK, it's hard to tell tone over the Internet. I originally thought you were trying to be impossible above. It's all good.
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