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#205043 - 07/23/10 04:10 AM Re: Piezoelectric Ignition -- Is It Dependable? [Re: Hikin_Jim]
billym Offline
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Always have fire redundancy; AKA Bic and firesteel.
A sparklight will probably work to start a gas stove if needed.

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#205044 - 07/23/10 04:39 AM Re: Piezoelectric Ignition -- Is It Dependable? [Re: HerbG]
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I haven't used a piezo igniter on a wilderness trip. Guess I'm a bit 'old skool' with my Bic in my pocket (and spares tucked in everywhere).

I've had some piezo igniters that wouldn't quit. Some of the long-nose BBQ/fire lighters kept sparking (and starting the BBQ) long after the butane ran out. A couple of different ones got left out over winter, under snow and snowmelt. Just for laughs, I dried them out and scraped the rust off the 'points' and, voila, they sparked again.

I wonder if higher elevations (thin air) makes it harder to create a hot spark (which is basically a tiny plasma arc AFAIK). Perhaps the gap needs to be adjusted?

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#205045 - 07/23/10 08:03 AM Re: Piezoelectric Ignition -- Is It Dependable? [Re: dougwalkabout]
frediver Offline
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None of my stoves have a piezo lighter and I like it that way, you need to carry fire anyway so why bother with a fancy pants lighter.

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#205049 - 07/23/10 01:32 PM Re: Piezoelectric Ignition -- Is It Dependable? [Re: dougwalkabout]
Hikin_Jim Offline
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Originally Posted By: dougwalkabout
I haven't used a piezo igniter on a wilderness trip. Guess I'm a bit 'old skool' with my Bic in my pocket (and spares tucked in everywhere).

I've had some piezo igniters that wouldn't quit. Some of the long-nose BBQ/fire lighters kept sparking (and starting the BBQ) long after the butane ran out. A couple of different ones got left out over winter, under snow and snowmelt. Just for laughs, I dried them out and scraped the rust off the 'points' and, voila, they sparked again.

I wonder if higher elevations (thin air) makes it harder to create a hot spark (which is basically a tiny plasma arc AFAIK). Perhaps the gap needs to be adjusted?
I've been told that it has to do with the density of the air at altitude, although I don't know for sure.

My observation is that different types of piezoelectric ignitions work at different altitudes. My Delta Windmill lighter quit somewhere in the 7000' range, but I've used the piezo ignition on my Jetboil at 10,000' just fine.

HJ
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#205060 - 07/24/10 12:32 AM Re: Piezoelectric Ignition -- Is It Dependable? [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
cedfire Offline
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Originally Posted By: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor
The advantage of the Piezo ignition is it just simply there, attached to the stove.


That about sums it up perfectly. Convenience, but not necessarily dependability.

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#205067 - 07/24/10 03:59 AM Re: Piezoelectric Ignition -- Is It Dependable? [Re: rebwa]
SwampDonkey Offline
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Registered: 07/08/07
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Loc: Northeastern Ontario, Canada
I also have Piezoelectric Ignition on my SnowPeak stove and have had no problems in the 3 years I have owned it. Being a "suspenders and belt type of outdoorsman" I also keep a mini Bic in the small stove storage box, just in case.

I have had poor luck with piezo ignition on cheap lighters though?

Mike


Edited by SwampDonkey (07/24/10 04:00 AM)

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#205142 - 07/26/10 04:01 AM Re: Piezoelectric Ignition -- Is It Dependable? [Re: SwampDonkey]
haertig Offline
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Loc: Colorado
I thought it was standard operating procedure to do the "piezo dance" every time you try to light up a BBQ grill, etc. You open the lid, squat down for safety, turn on the gas, and depress the push button repreatedly as fast as you can trying to get the grill to light before enough gas builds up for an explosion. It is normal summer entertainment around here to listen for the jackhammer / woodpecker / machinegun sound of one of your neighbors pounding away on their piezo starter trying to get their grill started with their eyebrows still intact.

Isn't this normal???

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#205144 - 07/26/10 05:24 AM Re: Piezoelectric Ignition -- Is It Dependable? [Re: haertig]
Richlacal Offline
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Registered: 02/11/10
Posts: 778
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
My new BBQ grill has a battery operated spark generator.It has a quiet but effective cylic rate of aprox.50 clicks p/5seconds.My neighbors thought I was on Jihad, when they heard me cry out,the name of a certain religious sect,time after time,& they smelled something similar to fried pork rinds,immediately thereafter.

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#205147 - 07/26/10 10:11 AM Re: Piezoelectric Ignition -- Is It Dependable? [Re: Hikin_Jim]
Desperado Offline
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Registered: 11/01/08
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Loc: DFW, Texas
Originally Posted By: Hikin_Jim
Originally Posted By: Dagny
I've used my JetBoil every morning and most evenings the last couple of years (nearly 100 nights of camping) and have never had a problem

I just turn the gas up a little, push the button and presto!

Sounds like some quality control issues at JetBoil.
Wow, wanna trade? smile I've replaced the unit, but the new ignition isn't any better. It too failed after a few weeks and is now as dead as a door nail. frown

I've read that MSR originally designed their new Reactor stove with a piezo ignition but then removed it because it was unreliable.

Apparently, Jetboil is aware that they have a problem; the new Jetboil is advertised as having an "improved" piezo ignition. I've heard mixed reports as to how good the "improved" ignition on the new Jetboil is, but on the older Jetboil, yours is the first report I've ever heard that indicates that the ignition is reliable.

HJ


Make that reports two and three.

I have two and both work well. One I carry in my work truck 24 / 7 / 365, and use often during the winter months for a cup of coffee in the field. The other is used when camping which is much less often. Both were purchased about 2004 (or so), and the PZ ignition has surprised me by continuing to work.

Now the PZ ignition on the big $$$ outdoor cook station in my back yard is associated with only one flame, a flaming piece of crap....
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#205148 - 07/26/10 12:25 PM Re: Piezoelectric Ignition -- Is It Dependable? [Re: Desperado]
hikermor Offline
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I have never experienced a piezo lighter that worked longer than about a month, at best. They only add complexity, weight, and cost.
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