Lukus - Cool info. I've only driven the ones I've rented, and I get the back hoe each time because I`m not sure if I`ll need it or not, and with it sticking off the backend a good 2-3' if you drive "down" too much the back end will get hung-up... Luckily the out riggers easily lift it up, I shove a log or so under there and drive out. Also extending the back hoe, and angling the bucket as a 'scoot' works too

I think i`m going to rent the tractor next w/out the backhoe and see how how much more power I have with the hill.

I def. need the backhoe at some point to finish my grey water system, and misc other tasks.

I think unless I can get the backhoe on a used tractor / complete setup buying new I would skip the backhoe, and just rent the tractor with the backhoe if I find myself needing it. $5-8k for a backhoe is pretty pricey unless your doing some serious digging, and even then saving up and getting a used mini-excavator for 9-13k seems like a MUCH better deal in the long run.

Off to save my pennies!

Any other advise, tips or tricks you have Lukus I appreciate it.

-Todd