#204021 - 06/28/10 11:55 AM
Two men, 11-year-old die after canoe capsizes...
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Registered: 04/23/08
Posts: 240
Loc: Iowa
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Here's a sad story from South Dakota, in my old stomping grounds about getting caught in a bad situation but some making it out. There are several lessons here I think - about being prepared with the right equipment and not exceeding what you can deal with. http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/news/article_528f5fa4-8261-11df-bab3-001cc4c002e0.html Paul -
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#204023 - 06/28/10 12:12 PM
Re: Two men, 11-year-old die after canoe capsizes...
[Re: pforeman]
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Registered: 02/13/09
Posts: 395
Loc: Connecticut, USA
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Some of these terms are new to me - were they on some sort of relativly fast moving body of water or more like a man made lake?
Sad no matter what!
Thanks,
R
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#204024 - 06/28/10 12:12 PM
Re: Two men, 11-year-old die after canoe capsizes...
[Re: pforeman]
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 04/28/10
Posts: 3165
Loc: Big Sky Country
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That's terrible! I also grew up not far from there, didn't see the news report til just now. What a brave little girl to hike out. And I wonder what happened since some of the ones who perished had PFDs still on them.
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#204025 - 06/28/10 12:40 PM
Re: Two men, 11-year-old die after canoe capsizes...
[Re: Phaedrus]
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Journeyman
Registered: 12/27/09
Posts: 59
Loc: Boise, ID
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Diversion dams are also called low-head dams. They are a HUGE risk in river kayaking. They are hard to see coming, and are frequently lethal. The water flows over the top of the dam, then forms a recirculating hydraulic or hole at the bottom. The drop may be relatively small, but in fast current, the hydraulic is very strong.
In most naturally-occurring hydraulics you can work your way to one side or the other, or find a weak spot in the flow, and flush out. With manmade low-head dams, the hydraulic doesn't have any weak spots and extends all the way across the river - usually with steep concrete banks on each side. There's no way to get out the sides, and no weak spots.
This is also one situation where PFDs can make things worse. The water in a hydraulic is usually flowing out at the bottom of the river. If you are in a lifejacket, it can keep you too high in the water to get caught in the outflow. You get carried to the front of the hydraulic, forced underwater, carried a little bit downstream, then float to the top where the water carries you back to the front of the hydraulic.
Condolences to their friends and family.
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#204030 - 06/28/10 02:20 PM
Re: Two men, 11-year-old die after canoe capsizes...
[Re: AndrewC]
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Registered: 08/09/09
Posts: 392
Loc: San Diego, CA
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Maybe some kind of reasonable retrofit could be done to make them less hazardous, especially on popular rivers. Nothing elaborate or horribly expensive, just something to help people free themselves, like handholds or something on the sidewalls.
Would dumping rubble at the bottom of the face of these dams on popular rivers break up the hydraulic? Or would it just create a worse hazard of hitting the rubble when you went over the dam?
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#204034 - 06/28/10 03:46 PM
Re: Two men, 11-year-old die after canoe capsizes...
[Re: haertig]
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Registered: 04/16/03
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A few years ago I took a 2-day swiftwater rescue class. They said that the manmade low-head dams were extremely dangerous and have claimed many lives. Once caught in the hydraulic it is damn hard to escape without knowledgable help from shore.
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#204048 - 06/28/10 08:07 PM
Re: Two men, 11-year-old die after canoe capsizes...
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Registered: 01/09/09
Posts: 631
Loc: Calgary, AB
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Maybe some kind of reasonable retrofit could be done to make them less hazardous, especially on popular rivers. They are reworking the one on our city's main river, but it isn't a simple or cheap solution; its a 6.4 million dollar project. If you're interested, you can check out the project here: harviepassage.caI don't know if there are cheaper or simpler solutions, but knowing our city council I'd guess there are .
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