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#201389 - 05/04/10 10:18 PM Stove That Charges
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For those who need to charge while cooking.
Look at this Here .

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#201391 - 05/04/10 11:22 PM Re: Stove That Charges [Re: leemann]
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Neat! Thanks for posting.
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#201408 - 05/05/10 02:06 PM Re: Stove That Charges [Re: GarlyDog]
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I assume it's the same principle as the bismuth-telleride-powered fan that sits on my wood stove. Works like a hot darn.

I have to wonder how much juice is really produced by the camping stove. How long would you have to burn it to recharge a cell phone?

What I really want is a highly portable Stirling engine that can power a mini generator. Or wash clothes around camp.




Edited by dougwalkabout (05/05/10 02:26 PM)

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#201410 - 05/05/10 02:37 PM Re: Stove That Charges [Re: leemann]
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Hmmm, thermocouples are fairly cheap. A person could get a bunch then connect them together to have a device which could draw ppower from any heat source... I may have to fiddle with that some.

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#201411 - 05/05/10 03:39 PM Re: Stove That Charges [Re: Blast]
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Blast, I are a thermoelectrics engineer. At least I was one at one point.

The challenge with thermoelectric power generation and cooling is that you need a material that has high electrical conductivity but low thermal conductivity. God saw fit to make most electrically conductive materials good heat conductors and most electrical insulators good heat insulators. Oh, by the way, the material needs to have a high Seebeck voltage as well.

In a generator, very little of the heat used is converted to electric power. Most of it is simply transfered by plain old conduction from the hot side to the cold side where you need to get rid of it.

Your typical measurement thermocouples have an output of tens of uV/C. Even with a 1000 degree delta-T, you'll need thousands of thermocouples in series to get a few volts to charge your cell phone.

That being said, I once built a unit with commercial cooling modules that was about the size of a 4" cube (mostly two extruded aluminum heat sinks). It output about 200mA at 12V sitting on top of a kitchen stove burner set to low. Most of the 200mA was used to run the computer fan that kept air moving across the cold side heat sink smile

The real challenge in a consumer product is preventing overheating. Ferinstance, some "High Temp" modules start melting at only 200C.


Edited by thseng (05/05/10 03:40 PM)
Edit Reason: typo
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#201417 - 05/05/10 06:26 PM Re: Stove That Charges [Re: thseng]
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Originally Posted By: thseng
Blast, I are a thermoelectrics engineer. At least I was one at one point.

The challenge with thermoelectric power generation and cooling is that you need a material that has high electrical conductivity but low thermal conductivity. God saw fit to make most electrically conductive materials good heat conductors and most electrical insulators good heat insulators. Oh, by the way, the material needs to have a high Seebeck voltage as well.

[snip]

The real challenge in a consumer product is preventing overheating. Ferinstance, some "High Temp" modules start melting at only 200C.


Ah, well that saves me a bunch of wasted time!
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#201418 - 05/05/10 07:17 PM Re: Stove That Charges [Re: Blast]
thseng Offline
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Originally Posted By: Blast
Ah, well that saves me a bunch of wasted time!

Naw, just means you'll have to get to work finding a way to bend the laws of physics just a little more. Seems right up your alley.

Best to read C.J. Lynch "Thermoelectricity, the breakthrough that never came" Innovation 28, 47 (February 1972) before you start.

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#201460 - 05/06/10 04:26 PM Re: Stove That Charges [Re: leemann]
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Interesting read on the web site (Biolitestove.com ). My old zip stove uses an AA battery to power the fan, this uses the heat/thermoelectric to power the fan. Pretty cool idea. A bit heavier than the zip stove, but I think the engineering is better than the old zip I have.

I didn't see reference to the USB charger, but it seems like a possible extension to the capability.
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#201484 - 05/07/10 02:35 PM Re: Stove That Charges [Re: GameOver]
saniterra Offline
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The BioLite web site now indicates that the stove will be ready for commercial sale in the Spring of 2011 instead of 2010. Maybe they need the extra time for more extensive R&D.

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#201487 - 05/07/10 03:00 PM Re: Stove That Charges [Re: saniterra]
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On closer inspection, a zip-stove type wood stove is actually not a bad fit for this type of technology - it already needs a fan. That gets me thinking..........
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