#198802 - 03/24/10 12:52 AM
For the Ladies.
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 09/01/07
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During and after any emergency there might be a distinct shortage of indoor plumbing and porcelain. You can't hold it forever. Males have a distinct anatomical advantage in that we can pretty much unzip and let fly. The ladies don't have it so easy. For them urination can be time consuming, unwieldy, possibly messy, and involves exposing tender areas to cold, wind, and such environment threats as thorns and poison ivy. This tends to make the females a little less enthusiastic about spending time in the woods and, possibly, a lot less happy while out there. As Papa said: If momma ain't happy nobody's happy. To help the ladies stay happy there are a couple of devices everyone should know about: The Freshette and The Lady-J. http://www.freshette.com/http://www.biorelief.com/store/Lady-J-Female-Adapter.htmlThink of these as adapters. They allow a female to pee into a bottle, or over the side of a cliff or boat. She can even write her name in the snow. Doing it all without having to bare her behind and expose herself to frosty winds, prying eyes, or needle sharp thorns. Talking to ladies that use one of these they love them. Laying in equipment for a group a few of these will endear you to the women folk. They make great, if a bit personal, gifts for the the women in your life.
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#198804 - 03/24/10 01:06 AM
Re: For the Ladies.
[Re: Art_in_FL]
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Geezer
Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
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That's all good advice. And a snap-on toilet seat and a 5-gallon bucket are also very nice to have, esp if you have children.
Sue
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#198817 - 03/24/10 02:50 AM
Re: For the Ladies.
[Re: Susan]
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Registered: 09/17/07
Posts: 1219
Loc: here
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Let me tell you about the "success" of the Lady J on my trip back from Alaska. I was PSCing (moving in military lingo)and it was about -30F on the Alaska Highway. The vehicle (1986 Ford Aerostar) contained all the necessary things to survive, including the abovementioned for my wife and nearly four-year old daughter. Short story...I spent over 20 minutes wandering around in the wind and cold while my wife tried to convince our DW to "just relax"; didn't happen. The poor thing darn near exploded!! This happened numerous times over the next four days. So, I (we) had a 50% success rate with product. It is still worth the money.
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"Its not a matter of being ready as it is being prepared" -- B. E. J. Taylor
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#198819 - 03/24/10 02:57 AM
Re: For the Ladies.
[Re: Art_in_FL]
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Registered: 12/14/09
Posts: 1419
Loc: Nothern Ontario
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I have known female hikers / mountain/rock climbers who use the Freshette and they swear by how easy it is pee with the device.
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Earth and sky, woods and fields, lakes and rivers, the mountain and the sea, are excellent schoolmasters, and teach some of us more than we can ever learn from books.
John Lubbock
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#198830 - 03/24/10 07:10 AM
Re: For the Ladies.
[Re: BorkBorkBork]
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Old Hand
Registered: 06/03/09
Posts: 982
Loc: Norway
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Train your kids the noble art of polar peeing (and the other business) before you need it. Nothing particular mysterious about it, just go hiking and camping and the training presents itself. But invest 2 minutes with your spouse discussing the proper technique for "draining" the kid before the need actually is there. My wife's first attempt at our boy was hilarious to watch. (Ladies- the thing goes out the front. Although anatomically possible the other way around is rather awkward).
I have the deepest respect for my wife and lady friends, who resolve these issues the old fashion way. I've done "big business" in a friggin' blizzard at Spitsbergen and it was not something for the faint at heart. In more moderate conditions I just enjoy the scenery.
I've seen these gadgets before, and people seem quite happy about them. I am sure these little gadgets can provide huge leaps in comfort for our lady friends, particular in a semi-populated setting where modesty and non-existent restrooms are not the best combination.
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#198835 - 03/24/10 09:15 AM
Re: For the Ladies.
[Re: Art_in_FL]
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Registered: 09/10/08
Posts: 382
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They allow a female to pee into a bottle, or over the side of a cliff or boat. She can even write her name in the snow. Doing it all without having to bare her behind and expose herself to frosty winds, prying eyes, or needle sharp thorns. Boy learn early, don't pee into the wind unless you want a shower, something to keep in mind with these contraptions
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#198844 - 03/24/10 01:06 PM
Re: For the Ladies.
[Re: EMPnotImplyNuclear]
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Old Hand
Registered: 10/19/06
Posts: 1013
Loc: Pacific NW, USA
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I will be the naysayer on this one - having grown up with 3 sisters all active hikers, they would laugh at the concept that they need a device to pee or crap in the outdoors.
- I.P. Freeley
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#198854 - 03/24/10 02:15 PM
Re: For the Ladies.
[Re: Lono]
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"Be Prepared"
Pooh-Bah
Registered: 06/26/04
Posts: 2211
Loc: NE Wisconsin
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I guess I always theorized that "exposing tender areas" was the reason woman started wearing dresses. Kind of a roaming shelter, if you will.
No offense intended, but I always figured that.
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#198892 - 03/24/10 10:48 PM
Re: For the Ladies.
[Re: Lono]
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 09/01/07
Posts: 2432
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I will be the naysayer on this one - having grown up with 3 sisters all active hikers, they would laugh at the concept that they need a device to pee or crap in the outdoors. - I.P. Freeley Women have taken care of business for many thousands of years without their assistance so it can be safely assumed they aren't strictly essential. They make the process much easier, safer, more private, and potentially less messy. I know ladies who avoid any situation or event where toilets are not available. I have traveled with some who severely limit water intake to limit their need to urinate and juggle routes and schedules to accommodate their need to urinate. This is not just a major PITA for them it is potentially dangerous. These simple devices are not, cannot be, a complete answer but if they allow the ladies to travel more comfortably and maintain proper hydration without excessive bother or worry they are worth their price and deserve consideration. I have been around some amazing ladies. One used to pee standing up off the back of a shrimp boat while under way, and not get a drop on the boat. That's talent. Most men can't manage that. One can assume that a lady-J wouldn't interest her because she gets along without one. It can be pointed out that a Freshette, particularly one with a longer hose, can be handy for men. Peeing into the shallow funnel as easier while sitting than using a bottle. A longer hose allows you to keep jug on the floor. A hole in the floorboard is a good alternative to a storage container. I have located a funnel and hose on many vehicles for just that sort of situation. If I have a funnel there is no reason to not make it a unisex design.
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#198936 - 03/25/10 08:50 PM
Re: For the Ladies.
[Re: Art_in_FL]
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Member
Registered: 03/03/09
Posts: 197
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My wide got one of these for flights on research aircraft where the 'facilities' consist of opening one of the 2" instrument ports in the side.
Since the planes are rather crowded she wont say if she used it.
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#198944 - 03/25/10 09:37 PM
Re: For the Ladies.
[Re: NobodySpecial]
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 12/18/08
Posts: 1534
Loc: Muskoka
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I kind of have to agree with Lono on this one. Maybe the ladies I know are not very ladylike.
Yet I do agree that some people would find it a handy device in situations like Art and others have described.
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#198970 - 03/26/10 04:06 AM
Re: For the Ladies.
[Re: scafool]
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Geezer
Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
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Peeing without getting your clothes wet or falling over takes a lot of practice, and even then it can be tricky. Although some women brag that it's no big deal, it tends to be a bigger deal than they let on.
They're usually trying to prove that they're just as good as a man. And I can't think of a way to phrase my response that isn't insulting to half the population.
Sue
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#198973 - 03/26/10 06:42 AM
Re: For the Ladies.
[Re: Susan]
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Enthusiast
Registered: 09/10/08
Posts: 382
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I say its akin to NOT peeing on the toilet seat, possible but a lot harder than simply lifting the seat ( or using a urinal). Add in wind/fatigue/injury and its easy to make a mess. Or its like catching a baseball without a glove, possible with special technique under ideal conditions.
Edited by EMPnotImplyNuclear (03/26/10 06:43 AM)
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