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#196337 - 02/22/10 11:32 AM Re: Book of knots [Re: haertig]
Byrd_Huntr Offline
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Registered: 01/28/10
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I'm surprised that no one has listed the most-used knot on the planet...the Triple Granny smile
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#196338 - 02/22/10 12:29 PM Re: Book of knots [Re: Byrd_Huntr]
oldsoldier Offline
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Registered: 11/25/06
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Haertig, I should've specified-I used it for tying in a swiss seat, and backed it up with half hitches. Thats the only time it was ever used-I didnt intend for that to be read as I splice lines together, or anything like that-if I did, and reading back on it, it could certainly be taken that way-I apologize. I guess thats how misinformation spreads smile
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#196340 - 02/22/10 12:38 PM Re: Book of knots [Re: Byrd_Huntr]
KG2V Offline

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Registered: 08/19/03
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Loc: Queens, New York City
I don't know - I tie a square knot on a bight (actally dual bights) every morning - twice

(Think shoes)

I'm OK with knots (Hey, I was a boy scout - right...) The one thing I've almost totally forgotten (and have to use a book, and I'm still not sure it's RIGHT) is splicing - particularly eye loops

Anyone in the NYC area really know splicing, and care to teach a bit of splicing?
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#196365 - 02/22/10 06:00 PM Re: Book of knots [Re: KG2V]
boatman Offline
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Registered: 03/10/03
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Loc: Michigan
I am surprised at how many people do not know basic knots of some sorts.There are many high school teenagers that can barely tie their shoes.I am also surprised that many people don't have the knowledge to tie fishing knots.How many people on the forum carry hooks and line in their PSKs.It would be a shame if they could not tie them together properly.Good knots for joining a hook to line are the palomar and Trilene knot.The palomar is good for spectra braid (think Spiderwire)and the Trilene is good for monofilament.Remember to wet the line before tightening as too prevent friction and weakening the knot and losing fish...

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#196369 - 02/22/10 06:53 PM Re: Book of knots [Re: boatman]
George Offline
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Registered: 12/01/07
Posts: 7
A knot that I find myself using more and more is the alpine butterfly. Its easy to tie and easy to undo, and has a number of advantages over other loop knots.


Edited by George (02/22/10 06:54 PM)

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#196397 - 02/23/10 12:12 AM Re: Book of knots [Re: George]
Art_in_FL Offline
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Registered: 09/01/07
Posts: 2432
IMHO the best, fastest and most effective, way to learn the basic knots is to attend a class.

I have taught a short course as part of a spelunking trip and found that two hours of rope work, and fun, and a quick ten minute refreshed before going in was effective. Even years later quite a few of the people remember most of the knots. Learning in person makes a lot of things clear that might get lost online or on paper.

Perhaps the biggest thing to learn is how to 'dress' a knot. A marginal knot well dressed is often better than a great knot left undressed.

Working from memory I included:

Square knot - include warning, demonstration of failure by inversion and using half-hitches for safety.

Bowline - include use of half hitch as safety. Teach one-handed tying if time allows.

Sheet bend - also double sheet bend.

Clove hitch -include warning of it rolling loose and half-hitch for safety.

Round turn and two half hitches

Rolling hitch.

Swiss seat.

Bowline on a coil.

Alpine Butterfly - teach both 'twist' and 'coil' methods of tying.

figure eight stopper.

There is always controversy over which knots to include, and which to leave out. Everyone has their favorites and knots they dislike. I like this list because it is short, the knots are simple to tie, most can be ties by touch alone, easy to understand, and anyone who masters the list can do most things effectively.

Of course there is some redundancy in even this short list. Experienced knot people will immediately spot that the sheet bend and bowline are the same knot. Or that a rolling hitch is a clove hitch with an extra wrap.

The bowline on a coil is a bit esoteric but was included because we weren't using harnesses. The drops were small and the rope was used as a safety while they climb up and down.

The alpine butterfly is strong, handy and fun to tie and fun to teach but a slipknot and half hitch would work as well in most fixed rope cases. I include the butterfly because every time you tie it you feel like you did something.

The rolling hitch doesn't have much use in climbing, prussic would be better, but it is just so useful in every day life that I put it in. It's important if you sail.

Trucker's and timber hitches are good additions. The Flemish bend is a good one.

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#196427 - 02/23/10 12:30 PM Re: Book of knots [Re: boatman]
Milestand Offline
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Registered: 09/29/02
Posts: 124
Originally Posted By: boatman
I too have the Ashley's Book of Knots and am quite proud of it...

The knoledge and history in it are priceless!


Did you mean to say "knotledge"?

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