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#193885 - 01/19/10 07:35 AM 7 Common Survival Tactics
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Here is a Cracked take on survival. I found the writer somewhat pretentious and at times, well, wrong, but some familiarity with the field is evident.
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#193893 - 01/19/10 01:21 PM Re: 7 Common Survival Tactics [Re: Rodion]
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Kudos to the author for having the guts to write this. On the other hand I think most of us will agree with Rodion on this one. Besides, the author never did tell us the right way to beat the shark (he mentioned an alternative supposedly correct method on everything else). Seriously though, Sybert, I don't think he was being serious. Look through the rest of that site. Did you notice this comment:

"Do you have something funny to say about a random topic?"

I suggest you avoid sites like that. Be careful what you read on the internet. Any quack with a little computer knowledge can put up a website and put information out there that looks legit. And any goofball can post what he thinks are funny comments about what we consider a serious topic. That concludes our PSA. Now back to your regularly scheduled programming ...

EDIT: Correction


Edited by Mark_Frantom (01/20/10 12:51 PM)
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#193898 - 01/19/10 02:25 PM Re: 7 Common Survival Tactics [Re: Mark_F]
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I won't take everything as sound advice - but I like the way he pounds some old myths to pieces. Neither arbitrary advice from the internet nor myths should be taken as survival gospel. Use facts and clear thinking...


Speaking of facts - does anyone know of reliable facts about the potency of bacteria in saliva to infect wounds? I'm not out of the blue proposing anyone to lick open wounds as a method of cleaning them. But I have a strong gut reaction when the article blatantly implies that saliva bacteria is almost guaranteed to infect the wound. (It's in the article about sucking the poison out of snake bites). Without scientific facts to back it up, I really don't buy into that bacteria that are living in your mouth (creating bad breath and so on) will live and multiply (infect) when transferred to wounds. I want PROOF of that happening. Otherwise it's just replacing one myth with another...


Edited by MostlyHarmless (01/19/10 02:29 PM)

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#193903 - 01/19/10 03:12 PM Re: 7 Common Survival Tactics [Re: MostlyHarmless]
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Is there a 'guarantee' that your saliva with infect you....NO. Think about it though.....these bacteria are already IN your body. So your immune system will probably not 'see' them as too big a threat. But human bites are far worse than a dog or cat (Solely on the bacteria thing---not on trauma, ripping, jaw pressure etc) in the regards of infection. Ask any ER doc... they can be the worst. Do "I" have the 'documentable proof' you want. Maybe if I dig through 20+ year old college notes (Dang....has it really been that long?!?!?) from my microbiology class. But it is established.

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#193906 - 01/19/10 04:00 PM Re: 7 Common Survival Tactics [Re: MostlyHarmless]
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There are millions of bacteria on and within the body, some are potentially pathogenic (disease producing), some are outright pathogens, some are commensal and many are beneficial. However, most bacteria will cause disease if they colonize an area of the body where normally are not found. For example, a huge percentage of the human population are carriers of Staphylococcus aureus on the surface of their skin, causing little to no problems, but when the organism enters an open wound or the blood stream, a major life threatening situation may occur. The mouth is loaded with bacteria, again most will not cause any issue while they remain in the mouth, but introduced into an open wound or the blood stream an unintentional infection may occur.

The oral cavity as a reservoir of bacterial pathogens for focal infections

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#193909 - 01/19/10 05:04 PM Re: 7 Common Survival Tactics [Re: paramedicpete]
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Disclaimer off the bat, I am no expert on the subject. However, IIRC, I read or watched something about this one time a LOOOONG time ago. Given small wounds like scratches, your own saliva can actually be beneficial to begin healing the wound. Have you ever scratched or stuck your finger and instinctively put it into your mouth? That's what I'm talking about. I don't think this would apply to larger wounds and certainly someone else's saliva in the wound creates a host of other issues. FWIW.
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#193920 - 01/19/10 06:50 PM Re: 7 Common Survival Tactics [Re: Mark_F]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_Frantom
Seriously though, Sybert, I don't think he was being serious. Look through the rest of that site. Did you notice this comment:

"Do you have something funny to say about a random topic?"

I suggest you avoid sites like that. Be careful what you read on the internet. Any quack with a little computer knowledge can put up a website and put information out there that looks legit. And any goofball can post what he thinks are funny comments about what we consider a serious topic. That concludes our PSA. Now back to your regularly scheduled programming ...


Cracked is a comedy site I frequent (and at one point contributed to). I just don't think it's wise to rule out good advice, wherever it comes from.
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#193921 - 01/19/10 07:02 PM Re: 7 Common Survival Tactics [Re: Rodion]
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To each his own ... I will stick to reliable sources with information based on real world experiences.
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#193952 - 01/20/10 01:41 AM Re: 7 Common Survival Tactics [Re: MostlyHarmless]
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Here's an article on just that subject, and why it works: Licking Your Wounds: Scientists Isolate Compound In Human Saliva That Speeds Wound Healing

But they don't seem to mention anything about a contaminated wound.

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#193983 - 01/20/10 04:16 AM Re: 7 Common Survival Tactics [Re: Susan]
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Not to seem like a jerk, but... How did i get pulled into this conversation? i just now read it!! either way, hitting a shark in its nose is dangerous because you could slip o te srarp angle of its nose and cut your hand on its teeth or it could take your hand off, either way it invites serious infection!

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#193991 - 01/20/10 08:06 AM Re: 7 Common Survival Tactics [Re: MostlyHarmless]
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The problem with the saliva he mentions is your friend salivating on your wound

Another term for infection incurred from someone elses mouth is fight bite. Take a look
http://www.ispub.com/journal/the_interne...e_injuries.html


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1779160
Human fight-bite injuries of the hand. A study of 100 cases within 18 months.
Quote:
100 consecutive patients whose finger had been bitten by another person, or who had cut it on a tooth in a fight, have been studied. 82 healed completely but 18 eventually needed amputation. Early and thorough debridement is required, plus a suitable mixture of antibiotics. Once infection is established in bone or tendon sheath, amputation is often needed, but most infected joints can be saved.

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#193995 - 01/20/10 12:54 PM Re: 7 Common Survival Tactics [Re: sybert777]
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Sorry Sybert, brain glitch. It happens when you get older. It'll happen to you someday too laugh . Fixed it though. Don't know how that happened. Maybe something with the 7 in the post title and I think we were commenting on one of your posts the same day as well. Again apologies. I'd like to promise it won't happen again but unfortunately it probably will. Anyway, no blood no foul, as we used to say on the driveway basketball court.
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#193999 - 01/20/10 01:09 PM Re: 7 Common Survival Tactics [Re: CJK]
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Originally Posted By: CJK
Is there a 'guarantee' that your saliva with infect you....NO. Think about it though.....these bacteria are already IN your body. So your immune system will probably not 'see' them as too big a threat.


That reasoning doesn't always work. There are plenty of harmful bacteria in the body kept in check by their location. Case in point the bacteria in your intestines. Now if the location is compromised, say by a knife wound or gunshot wound, the bacteria are freed from their confines and the infectious bacteria proceed to spread into the abdominal cavity causing all kinds of problems. Of course there are other mitigating factors here as well. The biggest issue is of course to stop the bleeding and repair the damage. This is complicated, however, by the bacteria released. Per my original disclaimer I am no expert and am quickly getting in over my head here. Would appreciate some input from those in the know here. Either back me up or correct me. wink
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#194032 - 01/20/10 09:57 PM Re: 7 Common Survival Tactics [Re: Mark_F]
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OK. doesnt matter to me really, i know about the brain glitches because my mom gets them ALOT!! she calls everything "that one thing" its fun trying to decode that! @ MF No not that! i meant Mark!


Edited by sybert777 (01/20/10 09:59 PM)

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#195156 - 02/05/10 04:13 PM Re: 7 Common Survival Tactics [Re: sybert777]
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my .02

Bacteria from someone else's mouth would IMO be more likely to cause infection. I am currently in Microbiology an had to write an article review on bacteria and the human body (how and where it was arranged Abstract ) Most people have mostly the same bacteria, but each person has different levels and about 20% of the content is different.

Bacteria can be good, when it stays where it is supposed to be, when it gets new places, bad results.

minor wounds, my saliva works pretty good, has for years.

major wounds keep clean as possible.

minor=bleed out, major no outflow to keep clean.
Bleed it out to clean it--old advise that even docs use.
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