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#19259 - 09/21/03 07:17 PM Re: Nylon string versus cotton string
AyersTG Offline
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Registered: 12/10/01
Posts: 1272
Loc: Upper Mississippi River Valley...
Wrong knot. Square knot (AKA "reef knot" for sailors or "package knot" to many old folks) should not be used to fasten ends together . I wish we would quit teaching it as a first knot to Scouts. It is actually a fairly specialized knot that is a poor choice for general applications. Fine knot for securing reefed sails (I guess - not a sailor) or starting off western-style spar lashings...

For what you are doing I also would not use the sheet bend (beckett) family, although they excel at many general things involving joining various ends together and some specialized uses.

Instead, I suggest that you use a fisherman's or (nicer looking) a double fisherman's - they carry alternative names, depending on user and region. In small laid cord that will be a permanent knot unless you are really desperate to untie it. If using really slippery stuff like Spectra or monfilament, stick to the double version, but if you learn to tie the single version first, it is easier to learn the double IMHO. Once snug, you may safely trim the tag ends quite short - as close as 3 cord diameters in accessory cord, although I err a bit on the side of caution. Looks 'factory made" in small accessory cord.

Get some 2mm accessory cord and it will hold up much better in your pocket - the laid nylon gets all pilled and fuzzy after several months use. I have plenty of uses for the laid nylon twine - not knocking it, especially as cheap as it is.

The double fisherman's is what I always use for your application - and some similar "large" items with 7mm - 8mm accesssory cord.

Let me know if you cannot find an illustration of how to tie a double fisherman's.

Regards,

Tom


Edited by AyersTG (09/21/03 07:20 PM)

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#19260 - 09/21/03 09:40 PM Re: Nylon string versus cotton string
Craig Offline


Registered: 11/13/01
Posts: 1784
Loc: Collegeville, PA, USA
Thank you.

I have a reference card on knots...somewhere in the wreckage known as my half of the bedroom. Grin. If I can't find it I'll give a holler.

Craig

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#19261 - 09/21/03 10:49 PM Re: Nylon string versus cotton string
AyersTG Offline
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Registered: 12/10/01
Posts: 1272
Loc: Upper Mississippi River Valley...
Many examples here is one.

You may use a triple if you prefer, but this is usually enough.

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#19262 - 09/22/03 01:32 PM Re: Nylon string versus cotton string
Craig Offline


Registered: 11/13/01
Posts: 1784
Loc: Collegeville, PA, USA
Thanks, dude. I appreciate it. Is there anything like this in a PDF file that folds down to wallet size?

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#19263 - 09/23/03 12:44 AM Re: Nylon string versus cotton string
Schwert Offline
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Registered: 03/13/02
Posts: 905
Loc: Seattle, Washington
Tom hit the nail on the head. The double fisherman is reliable, strong, stays tied and can be untied in nylon.

I use a piece of 2 mm sheathed nylon as a keychain, held together with a double fisherman. Perfect.

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#19264 - 09/23/03 09:55 PM Re: Nylon string versus cotton string
dchinell Offline
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Registered: 02/08/02
Posts: 312
Loc: FL
I'd also recommend a Hunter's Bend. I use it in paracord all the time. There are several different approaches to making the bend, but the one I use is dead simple.

Bear
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