#192050 - 12/28/09 11:59 PM
Re: Bad GPS Directions Strand Couple for 3 Days
[Re: KenK]
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The map is not the terrain.
GPS isn't even a map.
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#192051 - 12/29/09 12:06 AM
Re: Bad GPS Directions Strand Couple for 3 Days
[Re: Russ]
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I'm planning my trips to rural regions way ahead of time, using at least 4 sources of road maps and aerial imagery (usually 6-7) for a 5 mile wide corridor along my assumed path, and still don't hesitate to ask locals for brief directions when possible. The military past, you know...
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#192053 - 12/29/09 12:32 AM
Re: Bad GPS Directions Strand Couple for 3 Days
[Re: Alex]
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Sounds like me pre-flighting my route on PC mapping software and then viewing it in google-earth to see the terrain. I've taken routing advice from locals too. . . ."Forest + Service + Road"... what does that imply?. . . Sue Folks, when you see snow on the road, ask yourself, "Is this road ever plowed?" If the answer to that is possibly "No", think seriously about finding a place to turn-around.
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#192061 - 12/29/09 03:09 AM
Re: Bad GPS Directions Strand Couple for 3 Days
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Everyone has pointed out, correctly IMO, that the basic problem was over reliance on technology.
I don't think the problem is with the use of GPS, though, I think it's a lack of familiarity with driving in the snow. On the road, especially in flat country, 2" of snow looks a lot like 6", which looks a lot like 2'. Someone who has some degree of familiarity knows when they're in a situation they shouldn't be. I don't know if someone who has never driven in snow would realize the problem until it was too late?
Edited by UpstateTom (12/29/09 04:07 AM) Edit Reason: fixed bad phrasing
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#192069 - 12/29/09 04:01 AM
Re: Bad GPS Directions Strand Couple for 3 Days
[Re: Todd W]
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The turnaround possibility is a good point. When I was a teenager I went fishing in a mine pond. I drove in during daylight, and had to back all the way out, a couple of miles, at night by flashlight. It took a long time. Absolutely nowhere to turn around the truck without getting it hopelessly stuck. After that I always installed or carried a 12v tractor light I could use to see to drive backwards with in every truck I had.
Driving backwards in the snow, especially in a sedan (guessing) would be a huge pain, and in some cars might not be possible without an outside spotter or having your head stuck out the window. I know my current car has lousy visibility to the rear.
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#192078 - 12/29/09 01:03 PM
Re: Bad GPS Directions Strand Couple for 3 Days
[Re: UpstateTom]
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As I recall, the inability to turn around was an element of the James Kim tragedy too. They had printed out Google Maps (I don't think they were following a GPS route) and the map didn't distinguish between service roads and regularly maintained roads. They missed an exit and turned onto a service road thinking it was a usable alternative route, and were looking for a place where they could turn around their vehicle, but eventually got stuck.
It was that event that made me finally see the light regarding the importance of a PLB. I bought one and have carried it every time I head into a remote area. The McMurdo FastFind 210 at $300 is HALF the price of the one I bought.
Huh ... I just looked up the James Kim information on Wiki ... Did you know that 12 years before the Kim tragedy a man died in the same area after getting stuck? He died of starvation.
Also, in the very same year as the Kim tragedy a motor home with a family of six was stranded in snow in that area. They could actually see reports of the search for them on their TV ... including word that the search had been called off. Two of them finally hiked out for help.
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#192079 - 12/29/09 02:28 PM
Re: Bad GPS Directions Strand Couple for 3 Days
[Re: KenK]
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Registered: 12/18/08
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Loc: Muskoka
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It wasn't a GPS with bad directions that caused these people to get stuck. Not in any one of the cases mentioned.
Driving down a road that was impassable for their vehicle was what got them stuck. Even the claim that they could not turn around is ludicrous, there is a reason vehicles have reverse gear. So tell me how few functioning brain cells a person can have and still appear normal.
This was not the fault of the technology. It was the fault of the people themselves.
I can see getting snowed in by a freak blizzard and needing help, but driving miles down an unplowed road to get stuck is just idiotic.
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