Any Ideas what this could be?



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnew...ers-Norway.html

Now I would consider this to be somewhat of a mystery especially this event was recorded widely throughout Norway.

What is really startling is the way the luminous spiral just seems to be consumed by the expanding disk of darkness which radiates out from the centre of the rotating spiral and the bluish green spiral with its reduced radius as it spirals towards the earth would suggest the effects of increasing atmospheric air density as spiralling electrons i.e a massive electron discharge as in a Cyclotron motion make there way to earth.

old news--it's a Russian rocket test gone bad.i looked at the newspaper from Norway-on the web-and they had photos of it forming and it makes a lot more sense that way..

I do not buy the Russian missile test gone bad story I'm afraid for various reasons.

It's a "fricken laser"

Thew whole "consumed by darkness" thing may simply be explained away by the error of the human eye. Notice I said MAY.
Here is what I think about that; the human eye often perceives the moon as being closer, or farther away, at certain times of the night. Yet, the distance doesnt really vary (not enough for us to visually perceive it, anyway). Instead, it is a matter of perception due to, when it rises, being close to the horizon, thus giving a point of reference. I am sure that the atmosphere plays into it too, but the moon isnt really any closer when it rises at night then when it is high in the sky, the same night. Our eyes are easily confused.
I think a similar thing happened with that spiral. The "consuming disk of darkness" may just be what our eyes perceived-first, there was a bright spot in the sky, rendering all darkness around it a lot blacker than it likely is (think of sitting by a campfire at night, and how "dark" it looks just beyond it), and thus, the eye is fooled. Its sort of a natural trick.
This is just my own conclusion-not a theory I am putting forth. I REALLY dont think we are being invaded by aliens, nor is there some super secret teleporter technology, or any such thing as that. I simply think that it was what was reported. A missle test gone awry, and the Russians caught with their pants down. What the missle may have been CARRYING, who knows.

For your information, this curious light phenomen was observed throughout central and northern Norway, spanning a distance of about 1900 kilometres (just below 1200 miles!). Just around 8-ish AM, if I remember correctly. A lot of people on their way to job saw it. (Yep, friggin dark here at 8am at this time of year). Lots of videos and photos posted in the media, most of them taken by low quality cell phone camera.

As far as I know, no one has given a solid explanation for what it is. Many, including most media, jumped to the "must be a russian rocket"-conclusion. But (to my knowledge) nobody has (yet) given a good explanation of how a rocket can give such a light show. And no one has been able to confirm Russian rocket activity either. That doesn't mean it wasn't a Russian rocket, and the Russian haven't been exactly forthcoming on this issue...

In the absence of other reliable explanations, I'm inclined to believe the Russian rocket theory. Still, I would appreciate a more solid explanation of HOW a rocket can give such a light show...

i live on the coast of california, south of vandenberg air force base - which is also on the coast.

vandenberg launches military rockets that carry a variety of payloads, mainly secret spy stuff.

when one knows when the launch will occur - on the net, just look around - and can spend the time waiting for the rocket to go up, and if the flight is in daylight, and if the sun is out and if there are no clouds, and if the viewing angle is just right, you can see the trail - which is the spent rocket fuel - in a variety of colors. it is beautiful. i have seen it as it spreads across the sky. but it doesn't occur frequently as described - there are a lot of ifs.

google in 'google images' for 'rocket trail' for examples.

and i could understand a rocket spinning out of control spewing the spent fuel - as in the photo.

I've seen this before somewhere ...

Hmmm ... I KNOW I've seen it before ....

OH!!!

Am_Fear, why do you reject the booster explanation?

It makes sense, it's explainable with known factors, similar examples exist, and it doesn't postulate unnecessary entities.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GSa2wRtZRI

This is quite a good video which would explain the Russian Missile booster launch failure at a cursory level. But it is riddled with problems.



Where this photo was taken was indeed taken at 73.034N and 20.991E @ Skjervoy

The analysis has failed to take into the following considerations.

The spiral axis within the video did not move. If the directional axis of the missile in which the missile directional vector is matched to the end point location at skjervoy, in which the photograph was taken then again videoed at another location and such as Tromso (88km away) then this would suggest a non moving stationary position where the centre of the spiral is being photographed from and not a missile moving on a ballistic trajectory, which has ended up almost perpendicular to the initial trajectory of missile according to the analysis in the above youtube video.

There are two spiral arms (assuming the luminous arms are expended rocket fuel propellant), the Missile only has a single solid 1st booster stage and did not carry any liquid fuel being a completely solid propellant fueled multistage missile.

The supposed missile launch is meant to be over 800km away putting the missile (centre of the spiral) at an altitude of 97 miles altitude (a little bit more as the earths curvature has not been taken into account). But this would mean that the expended propellant (the outer circle of the spiral) is over 120 miles diameter. How does rocket propellant endup @ 80 miles higher altitude than the supposed missile itself. The less gravity argument being less in the youtube video is bogus.

What is illuminating the spiral which is extended over 120 miles in diamter. Well it certainly would not be rocket booster motor itself. This would only leave the sun to illuminate the particulates in the spiral, when then gives the massive problem of the expanding dark disk which eliminated from the centre of the spiral. If the rising sun was the energy source for the illuminated expended rocket fuel then the visual signature of the spiral would have even become more pronounced with the rising sun just over the horizon. Although at Skjervoy the sun does not rise completely above the horizon at all due to the latitude and time of year.

The size of the event and the symmetry. There is not enough rocket fuel in the supposed missile (RSM-56 is 36.8 metric tons so <30 tonnes solid propellant) to generate the volume of luminous spiral arms if we assume a 160-180 mile diameter.

The all most perfect circular symmetry cannot be explained if the event was occurring from the troposphere (lower radius of the bottom spiral) through the ionosphere upto altitudes where LOEs are operating i.e. 160-180 miles (upper part of the spiral radius). If this was indeed rocket propellant extending from the lower atmoshphere i.e. upper troposphere to the upper ionosphere and beyond into LOE atitudes (reasonably hard vacuum) there would be no spiral as the expended propellant gas will expand at substantially different rates.

The initial denial's by the Russian authorities as to the test. Even the North Koreans and Iranians will tell the rest of the world when a ballistic missile launch is taking place. Why deny something that you would have communicated out to the rest of world earlier anyway.

But the hardest issue I have is with the rapidly expanding dark centre spot (approx 10-25 miles per second).

If what we are seeing is the tail end of the rocket (accounting for the bright spiral and all the pretty colors ... oooooooh) and that rocket did, in fact, malfunction then perhaps the expanding dark spot is some sort of smoke expelled by the rockets exhaust, hence we get the dark expanding spot instead of the bright spirally light (I watched the video again ... pretty lightsssss). Probably is exaggerated by eyes playing tricks and going from relative bright to relative dark (possibly further exaggerated by the electronic device as well). Then again maybe it's an evil villain opening a portal to our world from an alternate universe. He should be leading his triumphant army through town at any minute.

It's a russian missile launch gone bad.

I told you the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) would create a black hole. We are all doomed...

A better explanation:
http://scienceblogs.com/dotphysics/2009/12/a_great_example_of_a_model.php

Fairly simple explanation that doesn't reference exotic notions of physics or capabilities and given the Russians openly admit that it is one of their rockets screwing up I'm inclined to think that the issue is pretty much settled.

Then again there will always be those who will want to claim exotic 'matrix weapons' and weather control devices, devices that have been rumored, but never actually shown, to exist, are to blame. I'm pretty sure that we could find someone with a religious bent that would claim that it is 'a sign from God'.

Again a completely over simplistic simulation which does not take into account the atmospheric effects and the scale and the symmetry of the event.

If you take the event as being a missile launch from the white sea then the diameter of the event is 160-180 miles in diameter and the growing black disk consumes the diameter in a few to 10s of seconds meaning the diameter is expanding at 10-25 miles per sec or between 36,000 - 90,000 mph, which would mean the propellant exit velocity will be many many times this according to the simulation.

This is not a missile launch gone wrong being viewed at over 800+ km or 500+ miles away.

I have no explanation for what this is and I am absolutely stumped.

Looks like the vortex that consumed the USS Nimitz in the movie The Final Countdown.

Has anyone counted the aircraft carriers lately?

from what I gather (and saw a snapshot of one of the other failures of the same booster), the thrust (either one of the vernier engines or some other reason) gets asymetrical, and the rocket actually starts to sprial, and of course, the vernier on the other side does try to compensate - so you have 2-3 engines seperated by a few feet going around in a sprial (from the small snapshot I saw, it looked like it went inside - OUT, and then was destroyed - if they were late on the range safety package, or there was none, I can see this happening

I was living 500km from the Russian missile testing facility in Kazakstan (Semipalatinsk). I didn't saw anything exactly like that, but what I saw was not less spectacular, or less unexplainable. At times the entire sky was involved in the show. And they did trigger an UFO rumors many times, especially in the reckless silence of the official Soviet mass media.

Alex, what a coincidence - I spent about 6 years at the Kumkol oilfield in Kazakstan, about 200 km NE of Baikonur, where the Russians launch to space. I saw several launches. Daylight launches we could just see a vapour trail. Night launch is more visual but still nothing like the photo above...

somehow, that photo reminds me of aurora borealis, although I've never seen anything so symetrical before.

I have seen mirages many times in the desert, so I know that light & distance can do strange things.

Perhaps it was in the recent time, when Baikonur became just a commercial launch pad? (no new technology tests prone to failure). By the way, I saw hundreds of launches, only a handful of them went wrong in a spectacular way.

Well, I am still going with a rocket theory. Why? Because I doubt the Soviet Union has created some time-space continuum machine, I doubt we shot anything down with a laser, and I reject all alien life form visitation theories, as those are, in my opinion, ludicrous. So, the obvious answer still stands-rocket launch gone wrong. Isnt that called Okhams Razor?

I shave with Okhams' every day. Keeps my legs nice and smooth.

I'm going with rocket launch, and possibly an "enhanced"image there of. There are things about that image that don't feel right.

Occam's razor...the simplest explanation tends to be correct. That is why I am leaning toward the alien space monkey theory.

There have been repeated sightings of strange phenomena around northern Scandinavia at this time of year. Rumours of a strange man dressed in red with a sleigh. Strange appearances of presents that appear in homes throughout the world shortly after. Odd that no one has ever put forward a theory before....
The Sock

I think you may be the closest. A thermonuclear powered underground X-Ray LASER used as an advanced Anti Ballistic Missile ABM weapon.

Looking at the luminance of the spiral event and comparing the power requirements needed in comparison to a foreground Halogen Lamp (@ say 100-200 metres), the event if over 800km away would be in the 10-100s of Gigawatts luminous power, well above the energy that can be produced using chemical energy i.e rocket propellant fuel.

My guess in the directed divergent X-RAY energy ground based weapon beam has ionised the atmosphere generating free Crompton electrons which then produced their own self sustaining electromagnetic field which then formed the blue spiral (light emission as seen in a cyclotron), the induced current then set up induced magnetic field perpendicular to the x-ray induced blue spiral current i.e. a huge example of the right hand rule!, which then created a spiraling electromagnetic plasma reaction from charged particles from the sun, which would normally be swept in to the north i.e. magnetic south poles as in the Aurora Borealis.

So what do you think the other dimension will be like once we actually pass through the portal?

Wow! Can I put that on my frickin sharks?!? Sorry, I couldn't resist. I'm not sure my conspiracy-geek-kung-fu is strong enough to debate your theory.

I think it's the alien mind control waves being down-linked from the mothership before getting relayed through the Internet to our LCD TV and Computer Screens, Microwave Ovens and Cell Phones, (all of which were copied from alien technology discovered in that spaceship recovered in New Mexico and secreted away at Area 51). I bet that the aliens are even now sending out undetectable commands for us to buy more Zoo Zoo Pets, E-Book Readers, GPS units, Cell Phones and iPods and other alien mind control wave repeaters as holiday gifts to advance their ongoing enslavement of humanity and engorge the alien-run mega-corporations' supplies of precious metals and gems.

Rocket booster out-of-control? How dumb do they think we are?
To self: (Now where can I find more aluminum foil at work? Oh yea, my EDC!)

Maybe its just an elaborate Norwegian hoax????

Santa's new JATO units failed on the test run.

Take your filthy paws off my atmosphere, you durned dirty apes!