#190287 - 12/09/09 04:47 AM
Re: Thermal Switch & Winter Lesson ;)
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Heat tracing cable might be an option. Tyco thermal has a site advertising their line of it. http://www.tycothermal.com/usa/english/There is a downloadable pdf that explains the idea in a lot more detail here. http://www.tycothermal.com/assets/Americ..._Guide_0509.pdfThey also sell a controller that turns the system on if it gets close to freezing temperatures (I think they say 40*F) but I believe most of the heating cable systems are self regulated for temperature anyhow. Not an expert in this or related to the company but it seems more effective than a heat lamp would be.
Edited by scafool (12/09/09 04:48 AM)
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#190289 - 12/09/09 05:07 AM
Re: Thermal Switch & Winter Lesson ;)
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You can get short heat cables in most building supply and hardware stores. You don't need to buy hundreds of feet of it. I have also seen it sold as heating for oil sumps on stationary machinery and for battery warmers. Anyway it was just a thought.
So if you are going to put a heater in the shed then why not just put an old house baseboard heater in there instead of rigging a light and thermostat controller? I know baseboard heaters can be found fairly cheaply complete with thermostats. I think they are usually regulated so they don't get hot enough to cause a fire, but you might want to check and be sure.
I don't like the stand alone electric space heaters because they usually go too high in temperature (glowing red) on the elements and can start fires.
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#190290 - 12/09/09 05:27 AM
Re: Thermal Switch & Winter Lesson ;)
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You can get short heat cables in most building supply and hardware stores. You don't need to buy hundreds of feet of it. I have also seen it sold as heating for oil sumps on stationary machinery and for battery warmers. Anyway it was just a thought.
So if you are going to put a heater in the shed then why not just put an old house baseboard heater in there instead of rigging a light and thermostat controller? I know baseboard heaters can be found fairly cheaply complete with thermostats. I think they are usually regulated so they don't get hot enough to cause a fire, but you might want to check and be sure.
I don't like the stand alone electric space heaters because they usually go too high in temperature (glowing red) on the elements and can start fires. The heat cables scare me, maybe unjustly but it seems like a controlled short could cause a fire pretty easily. Same with baseboard heaters, heard about fires/damages.. I guess really anything could heat lamp, something fall on it, etc.. L O L. Thanks for the ideas, not knocking you or them I plan to explore them all.
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#190302 - 12/09/09 01:02 PM
Re: Thermal Switch & Winter Lesson ;)
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Thermocube is a temperature controlled power socket for things like extension cords to engine preheaters and such. This link is just one possible supplier. There are choices of setpoints. http://www.smarthome.com/_/ProductResult...CFdA65QodFRg-rw
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#190333 - 12/09/09 04:19 PM
Re: Thermal Switch & Winter Lesson ;)
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Awesome thanks! BTW - It's froze again this morning... even after I thawed it, and insulated it somewhat last night. The pump house is just too drafty with the hole in the wall and eve vents all around it, sitting on a concrete slab in the shade 95% of the day. Going to have to insulate it ASAP before the next storm hits! It's one thing to lose power but have water in the tank to use it's another to be completely waterless and rely on my 5g jugs and lugging them around
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#190338 - 12/09/09 04:59 PM
Re: Thermal Switch & Winter Lesson ;)
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In the mean time leave a tap running just a little bit. If there is a trickle of water flowing it is usually enough to prevent pipes from freezing.
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#190340 - 12/09/09 05:51 PM
Re: Thermal Switch & Winter Lesson ;)
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In the mean time leave a tap running just a little bit. If there is a trickle of water flowing it is usually enough to prevent pipes from freezing. We did that last night before bed... yikes. 45 minutes of my heater running on the lines and the pressure switch worked, and pressure gauge adjusted (like last night) to normal but still no water pressure in the house. Basement temp was 45*F so I know not in there... Going to have to get it insulated sooner than later, and get a heat lamp or something in there for maintaining the temp. I think I`ll probably insulate the lil-pump house entirely, and then build a lil box around the pressure tank, and pipe setup to keep it even more insulated. And then just try to use a lamp in there only... that should work rather well I hope, and be cheap.
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#190358 - 12/09/09 08:43 PM
Re: Thermal Switch & Winter Lesson ;)
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Down here in Florida people do two things when we know a freeze is coming. Wells down here have spigots on them that you can open and let the water trickle out at enough of a rate that the switch comes on often enough to avoid freezing. Another trick people have done is taken bird houses, put them over the pressure switch (That's what we call it here, at least) and install a light inside the bird house. One you can plug in or wire to a switch and flip on. The heat of the incandescent bulb keeps it warm. Cool, ideas! (Yep pressure switch thats it here too - I think that's the technical term too hehe). I have a gauge next to it too that freezes also.
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#190372 - 12/09/09 11:20 PM
Re: Thermal Switch & Winter Lesson ;)
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Even if it's insulated, you'll need some source of heat unless the average temp outside is above freezing. The insulation just reduces the amount of heat loss, so reduces the amount of energy required to keep the area at a given temp.
As far as what to use, Watts are Watts, or in other words all electrical heaters are all exactly equal in efficiency, including heat lamps, light bulbs and heaters, so pick based on cost, safety, and lack of moving parts. (This assumes you're heating an area.) After you insulate, I'd suggest trying one or two 100w lightbulbs.
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