Oh really? IE 6? From work? I didn't even need to use my admin rights here for this one:

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I can go MUCH further if you like, without needing my admin access to this forum. You tell me a time in the past where I - here in the USA - could monitor YOU? From home? Yes, you can "opt-out" of the systems of western society to a degree, but you really can't fully opt out unless you decide to not drive, shop, get medical care, own real estate or vote.

I agree that the government could care little for the YOU or ME specifically, however, as anyone who has visited certain web sites that I won't even name here, the tools needed to monitor other people are very much available and used recreationally and criminally. Suffice it to say that I gave up on the idea of REAL privacy about 10 years ago.

very true martin; but i was replying to specific points

> 'you can watch your neighbours homes on CCTV via your cable
TV box'
>'your employer can secretly watch you using hidden CCTV'.

neither has ever needed cameras for that. they can use their eyes. you can't stop neighbour looking out his window, or your your boss watching you work .
The Sock

very true martin; but i was replying to specific points

> 'you can watch your neighbours homes on CCTV via your cable
TV box'
>'your employer can secretly watch you using hidden CCTV'.

neither has ever needed cameras for that. they can use their eyes. you can't stop neighbour looking out his window, or your your boss watching you work .
The Sock

actually re-reading what i wrote you are right. i should have said 'these specific points you raise are not new' web surveillance is of course new. i phrased it badly.
The Sock

There is one thing in favour regarding data security in the UK over the laws in the US and that is the UK Data Protection Act.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Protection_Act_1998

Personal Data Protection Laws in the US are virtually non existent, which is why there are European directives which prohibit the export of personal information outside the European Economic Area.

BTW the Cuban Authorities never stamped my passport to say I have actually visited the country.

What I always remember about my visit to Cuba was the death of Payne Stewart and the crash of the only Cubana DC10 I had flown on back to the UK a few weeks later (I remember sitting in La Habana airport looking at probably the one of the most unsafe modern airline Aircraft ever built operated by one of poorest airlines in terms of safety and thinking; oh man do I really have to get on this aeroplane and that was after getting to Cuba on an Cubana Russian built IL62). Whilst I was vacationing in Varadero (Hurricane Irene hit the Island during my stay there) I got got talking to some local Cubans who were excited about the imminent visit of Payne Stewart (first US Golf Pro to play in Cuba ince the early 1960s since the over throw of Batista). A week later he was dead. In all the news coverage following his death there was nothing about him breaking the US embargo of Cuba a week or so earlier.

Tin hat has now been removed

Cuban Whisky is vile BTW and the supplied Tropicana Night Club bottle of Havana Club needs at least 3 cans of non diet Coca Cola not just the one which was supplied.

Was that eXTReMe Martin?

No. That's the cost for fitting equipment to the dustcart that reads the chip. I expect it includes the cost of the computer, the RFID reader, and I imagine the back of the lorry is a fairly hostile environment for electronics which would push the price up.

In any case, it's more speculation than something that's actually happening. If they did start charging for household rubbish disposal, it would encourage fly-tipping and we'd all have to get padlocks for our bins, human nature being what it is. Also, the binmen don't always return the bins to the household they came from. It's a crackpot idea.

(Sorry to post off-topic; this has very little to do with survival equipment.)

nah, just hit it with a bit of electricity and fry it.

If they put an RFID chip in my trash can I'll build another Tesla coil to solve that problem...

Response to the original question.

There's NO way that the US Gov't is going to commandeer food or water supplies from average citizens. It ain't happenin'. If they try it - they will get a face full of bullets. Seriously!

The REAL problem is the folks in your town or city. If things get desperate and they have no food - you better believe some of them could very well try to steal it (or take it by force) from you. This survival forum is a rare "skill set". Very few Americans have anything in the way of real survival skills any more, and most people in major cities don't have more than a few days worth of food and drink (if even that). The only thing people know about survival is watching "Man vs. Wild" on TV - and none of them have ever tried it.

Things are going to get downright ugly if you find yourself in a crisis zone in the USA, esp. if you are inside (or near) a major city. Look at what happened in New Orleans after Katrina. The place was a hellhole, and FEMA wasn't close to coping. Do you know what their local joke was down there? It goes like this ...

FEMA Rescue Plan: "Run Bitc* ... Run!"

No kidding.

If you want to hang onto your stuff, be prepared to hide it, move it, or defend it.

Pete