In answer to my own question - my juice CS4 just arrived (they are about $110 dollars here in the UK so I got mine from canada for $69 inc shipping). I'm very pleased - its a very comfortable carry, well made, and the scissors are much better than on my keyring SAK. The pliers are thinnish but robust, the saw is a little thin, but I don't expect it to see much use; the whole thing is well put together. Much smaller than I expected, its like a slightly wider version of the kind of SAK's that come with a corkscrew. I rejected the purple juice on the basis of size, but I think I could have coped in retrospect...<br>it lives happily in my front jeans pocket - its invisible to others, and actually I can't even feel when its there, so I fashioned a belt hook for it that will save it should it fall out. All in all, very good.