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#186584 - 10/27/09 02:28 AM Ohhh .... my....
Art_in_FL Offline
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I know some guys who consider themselves great hunters. I suspect that if this walked up on them they would: scream like a woman, wet themselves, run away and hide. Not necessarily in that order.

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/10/marys_monday_metazoan_mighty_m.php

On the same page, in the comment section, is a link to this:
http://www.jerrysbaitandtackle.com/Trophies/Moose/WorldRecord.htm

So evidently they exist that big. It isn't just a Photoshop trick. Which actually makes like the idea of wilderness even more. I think we need some places where remarkable things happen, where an epic, nearly mythical beasts exist. We need places where we can still experience wonder. Even if it means that a hunter or hiker has to buy more underwear.

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#186588 - 10/27/09 03:23 AM Re: Ohhh .... my.... [Re: Art_in_FL]
Susan Offline
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"I suspect that if this walked up on them they would: scream like a woman, wet themselves, run away and hide. Not necessarily in that order."

And so would the grizzly looking for dinner... frown

Sue

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#186618 - 10/27/09 01:05 PM Re: Ohhh .... my.... [Re: NightHiker]
Dagny Offline
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Registered: 11/25/08
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Loc: Washington, DC

Mooseasaurus!

If any moose walked up behind me I'd scream.

They're all big and would total my car.






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#186621 - 10/27/09 01:41 PM Re: Ohhh .... my.... [Re: Dagny]
benjammin Offline
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Registered: 02/06/04
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Loc: Anchorage AK
While I know Moose are incredibly large (7 feet at the shoulders in the extreme), I believe this is a fake. Too many shadow anomalies between the pics.
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#186623 - 10/27/09 01:51 PM Re: Ohhh .... my.... [Re: benjammin]
clearwater Offline
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Registered: 03/19/05
Posts: 1183
Loc: Channeled Scablands
That's someone's big plastic moose they picked up and moved down
the road.

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#186635 - 10/27/09 03:32 PM Re: Ohhh .... my.... [Re: Art_in_FL]
scafool Offline
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Registered: 12/18/08
Posts: 1534
Loc: Muskoka
Without knowing the distances and the lens used it is really hard to judge the size of animals from a photo.
Rough measurements seem to indicate a shoulder height of about 8 or 9 feet.
This is assuming the road track to be about 5 feet, which is pretty standard for most vehicle tire track widths.

I am with NightHiker on this one.



Edited by scafool (10/27/09 03:33 PM)
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#186641 - 10/27/09 04:02 PM Re: Ohhh .... my.... [Re: scafool]
dweste Offline
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Registered: 02/16/08
Posts: 2463
Loc: Central California
I am just going to enjoy the pictures, remember being astonished how big moose really are, and let the technicians debate whether these images are real or photoshopped.

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#186648 - 10/27/09 04:41 PM Re: Ohhh .... my.... [Re: dweste]
Kukulkan Offline
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Registered: 03/06/09
Posts: 24
Loc: Los Angeles
I grew up in upstate New York and when I was about 16 years old (i.e., invulnerable) a moose was making the local news as it walked through the area. It ended up walking across our property and I tracked its footprings in the snow . . . until I looked up and saw a path of branches that had all the snow knocked off at least 10' up. I walked probably another 15 or 20 feet before I understood what I was seeing - the path the moose's antler's were making way up where I couldn't reach even if I jumped. I then stopped and considered my puniness and went home. Twenty plus years later, it's still a memory that comes easily to me. Is the photo altered? I don't care. Moose are BIG.

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#186658 - 10/27/09 05:30 PM Re: Ohhh .... my.... [Re: NightHiker]
Dagny Offline
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Registered: 11/25/08
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Loc: Washington, DC

Those first two pics look like Moosesauruses.


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#186681 - 10/27/09 10:04 PM Re: Ohhh .... my.... [Re: NightHiker]
Paul810 Offline
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Registered: 03/02/03
Posts: 1428
Loc: NJ, USA
IIRC, moose can be pretty dangerous animals. On a few occasions I've heard they're responsible for more death and injury than bears and other 'commonly assumed to be dangerous' animals.

All in all, after seeing some pretty big animals out in the wild, I've given up the notion of carrying a .22lr, especially a single shot 22lr, as my only survival rifle. Animal attacks may be rare, but they aren't impossible....and somehow I doubt a .22lr is going to do anything stop or slow down an animal like that moose.

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#186685 - 10/27/09 11:25 PM Re: Ohhh .... my.... [Re: Paul810]
oldsoldier Offline
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Registered: 11/25/06
Posts: 742
Loc: MA
Moose are most dangerous during rutting season-they travel places they dont normally go, to mate. And, they lose their shyness. This is when car strikes happen-during the fall. Thats why they are so dangerous.
Two quick moose stories. First one, I was hiking part of the AT in MA about a dozen years ago, and a section hiker was telling me a story about how she was treed by a moose. She had seen it near the trail (this was in VT), and tried to sneak up on it to get a better pic. The moose, for whatever reason, didnt like that, and chased her. She managed to get high up a tree, and the moose, acording to her, didnt leave for quite some time. She did manage to get a few pics of the moose while being treed (this was when we still had FILM cameras) and showed me the two she kept with her. I guess moose dont like sneaky people.
Second story, just recently I went to my pipe majors house (I am a bagpiper), and he was all excited to show me something in his driveway. Well, lo & behold, the was a HUGE pile of moose droppings. Apparently a cow had been wandering the streets (its a mix of rural & urban terrain) near where he lived, even made the local news. Well, she decided to do her business on his driveway. Now, I dont know how the size of a scat pile relates to the size of the animal, but the pile was HUGE!!!
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#186698 - 10/28/09 03:05 AM Re: Ohhh .... my.... [Re: oldsoldier]
dougwalkabout Offline
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Registered: 02/03/07
Posts: 3235
Loc: Alberta, Canada
I have no idea if the photos have been tweaked. Or, indeed, if this is a Moose of Unusual Size (though anything is possible in the Fire Swamp).

But I can say that I've had several close encounters with moose cows with a calves, usually at VERY close quarters, such as coming across them in dense black spruce bush. They were alert but calm; and I was calmly backing off, in a very thoroughly calm manner. They're bloody big, and this is from a guy who worked cattle for the first half of his life. We all got along. I have had many more close encounters with moose than with bear.

I also had a bull moose walk right up to my house and look in through the picture window. That puts his head at least 8 ft. off the ground. I was in the twilight of sleep, in my housecoat, nursing my first morning Java; it was a magical experience. (Seriously, this happened.) In later years, we had a bull come through each fall, walking through a wheatfield or canola crop that was 3-1/2 feet tall; you could clearly see daylight under his belly. Again, very cool.

The Moose is Loose.

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#186710 - 10/28/09 07:44 AM Re: Ohhh .... my.... [Re: NightHiker]
Leigh_Ratcliffe Offline
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Loc: United Kingdom.
Originally Posted By: NightHiker
I'm still EXTREMELY skeptical - I've seen this "undoctored photograph" in several emails claiming it was taken in a variety of location - Alaska, Canada, Maine and this one from Michigan. Also the for some reason the feet and the shadows in the second picture scream photoshop to me but I'm no expert so won't claim it's been altered.

I'm gonna say that it could be a real photograph but I think what really makes this moose look huge is that those trees are all fairly young and that's not a "single lane dirt road for cars" - more likely an ATV width trail. I could be wrong but while he may be freezer full of moose meat I don't think he's any ubermoose.


I don't think that it's doctored. The shadows are consistant but telephoto lense effects (shortening perspective) may make him look larger than he is.

Having said that, he looks to be about 7" at the shoulder.
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#186729 - 10/28/09 02:35 PM Re: Ohhh .... my.... [Re: NightHiker]
clearwater Offline
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Registered: 03/19/05
Posts: 1183
Loc: Channeled Scablands
Here is a photo of moose pulling a wagon. I remember this photo
from a trip to Canada when I was in scouts as a kid. Long
before photoshop.

http://www.archivesalberta.org/odd/moose.htm


here is another
http://www.museevirtuel.ca/pm.php?id=rec...7&rd=170539

http://www.alaskahistorystore.org/p194.html


Edited by clearwater (10/28/09 02:36 PM)

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#186752 - 10/28/09 07:36 PM Re: Ohhh .... my.... [Re: dougwalkabout]
Susan Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
Mooses of Unusual Size are called 'MUSes'.

Sue

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#186756 - 10/28/09 07:44 PM Re: Ohhh .... my.... [Re: clearwater]
CANOEDOGS Offline
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Registered: 02/03/07
Posts: 1853
Loc: MINNESOTA
moose pulling wagons was the 1800's version of a tricked up car.the Northern Minnesota story is about the guy who would drive into one of the logging towns on a Saturday nite,red leather harness and all.the local guys for a "joke" hid by the road and did a moose call on a birch horn.the moose of course took off ripping the wagon and harness off.it was said to be seen off in the woods much later feeding on willow with bits of the harness still on..and yes they get very big.i would rather deal with a bear in my camp than a stand off with a moose on a portage trail.


Edited by CANOEDOGS (10/28/09 07:45 PM)

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#186807 - 10/29/09 04:08 AM Re: Ohhh .... my.... [Re: CANOEDOGS]
dweste Offline
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Registered: 02/16/08
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Loc: Central California
During a trip through Yellowstone, I spotted a moose with calf far out in a meadow next to a swampy area. I guessed the animals to be over 100 yards away.

Many cars began stopping next to mine. One guy took his camera and began walking toward the moose. He was about 6 feet tall.

At first he appeared to be getting smaller as he walked into the distance, and the size of the moose stayed the same. Then an amazing thing happened that got the growing crowd scared: as he walked closer to the moose his image seemed to stay the same size but the moose grew larger and larger!

It was clear momma moose was taller at the shoulder than his 6 feet !


Edited by dweste (10/29/09 04:09 AM)

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#186831 - 10/29/09 03:17 PM Re: Ohhh .... my.... [Re: dweste]
Yuccahead Offline
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Registered: 07/24/08
Posts: 199
Loc: W. Texas
I had something similar happen while I was a summer concession employee in Yellowstone. I was taking a shortcut from our dorms to another part of the Canyon area. It was a pretty wooded and dark area and for some reason, I decided to take my eyes away from the ground and look up. As my vision shifted up, what I saw at the top of what I assumed were the trunks of just some more young trees was in fact a very large moose cow. I had all but walked right into her. All I remember thinking is, 'wow, that's a big moose' as I noticed that the bottom of her head was above the top of mine. I took a few steps to the left and went on my way. Well okay, I did look over my shoulder a few times.

In Yellowstone, it was always the elk that gave me the most trouble. I've been chased back in to the Firehole River a few times while fishing.
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