can't believe I missed this Alan. Great photo. Considering the circumstances.

Thanks for your input.

Talking out loud, its never a bad thing to have extra LBE around. But I have been rethinking my plan again. From what I have read, the Tour pack I tried on is only to hold 20 oz bottles, not the 1L nalgene I put in, which would account for my insecurity at staying in the pocket. I am looking around locally for a Day model to see if there is a big difference in that.