Retailers already have to keep their records of gun purchases onhand and available for inspection, this will simply add a whole bunch of records to their files.

I'm thinking of some of the effects this will have on places like Bass Pro Shops, they have aisles of handgun ammunition in their stores, they're going to have to redesign their firearms department in order to put all of it behind a counter.

I'm also trying to figure out how long it will take for someone to challenge this legally, if someone hasn't already done so. I imagine the papers are already being delivered to a courthouse somewhere in the state.

Anyone happen to know the laws concerning ammunition purchases in Nevada and Utah by a non-resident?

I'm going to be traveling thru in a few weeks.

This would be Cabela's not wanting the hassle and liability.

They already have stated they won't ship RIFLE ammo even tho it
is a Handgun ammo law, they may not want to ship components
given CA description of what a "bullet" is in other legislation.

If Cabela's won't ship, whats to say midway, midsouth, powder
river etc. won't either.

There were no FFL's in my area that would do that sort of
sales for firearms because of the headache involved in just one lost shipment by UPS. Ammo could likely be the same.

In any case, expect prices to go up on reloading like they just
did in the last scare. I still can't find any Winchester
Large Rifle Primers to buy.

All this law will do is take more revenue out of the state and burden law abiding citizens. After 02/11 I imagine lots of people will be heading to Nevada and maybe Oregon for purchases. Unless it would also be illegal to own unregistered ammo? It also depends on how soon California officially declares bankrupcy and how desperate the state gets to collect revenue. If there's enough capital flight I imagine they may postpone the implimentation of the law somehow. I think state sovereignty issues will also be a major issue in the coming years so that could have an effect as well.

If we can find space to put you, I'm pretty sure the Burlington VT area will welcome a couple of dozen highly skilled ETSers. Heck, I'll even help to get you moved in!

Seriously, there is very little that I can say that wouldn't be political, but is a pretty good tactic if you can't ban firearms. Cabelas' might find themselves getting black balled by a lot of the community though.

Well, VT isnt too far a trip from the Peoples Republic of MA....if the laws get too strict, I am migrating!

And this law will do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to stop crime. Awesome. All it will do is limit law-abiding citizens.

Man, Arnie has sure changed since his Terminator, Predator, True Lies days...

I am now compelled to remind all folks here that the inevitable gun/ammo discussion path is happening...I've already had to edit this thread once. Please don't make me lock it.

Don't jump on my case about this, and don't call me a "gun banner" - I'm life member of the NRA and ACLU. I'll defend your right to free speech with my guns, if needed. Just not here.

That out of the way....

1. It's not a BAN - so don't call it that. It's a severe restriction, but it's not a ban.
2. Laws can change. Typing about a law you don't like in this forum is entertainment. If you actually want to change the laws, you have to take the time and expend the energy to participate in the ugly mess that is, was and always will be politics. Writing letters, making phone calls, all of that stuff.
3. In a representative democracy, nobody gets all of what they want from the political process, but everybody at least gets some. The alternative is where some get all of what they want and the rest get none.

SO....

Assuming you're in CA, and assuming you have/want a handgun, getting ammo legally is going to be an issue from now on.

Stop [censored] about it.

First of all - to the members in CA -

a. What have you heard about how legal handgun ammo purchasing will be handled? Do you have more, accurate information?

b. Assuming that these restrictions stay in place, has anyone discussed how the role of the FFL dealer affects purchasing?

c. Are clubs and other organizations subject to this law?

Let's get some facts, and assuming that the law is in place, let's get some discussion on how/why this affects your personal preparedness.

If you want to talk about the politics of this law, by all means, do so. Elsewhere. Here, we discuss logistics and planning only.

Assuming the law stands and is not stricken by the courts, it seems fairly clear (once you get through all the deletions).

a. My internet purchases will no longer be available as a source. The retailers I do business with will need to move the cases of ammo they now keep out on the floor behind the counter. Don't know how they'll do that without renovations, but the cost will be passed on. Other than that I'll be able to buy cases of ammo, but will need to give a thumbprint and sign for it as stipulated in the law which means I'll be registering the ammo. Hmmm -- how does that work without serial numbers on the cartridges?

b./c. Don't know how this will effect the FFL or clubs, but the transfer of ammo requires paperwork be maintained which will add to the burden of paperwork they already hold.

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