Well, I agree there is a point to that Ben.
We do have different views.

At least two sets of doors if possible. The Foyer first, then the Sanctuary doors.

The second comment is about profiling the threat.
One thing to consider is that most of these shooters are not organized very well. The best they are able to put together seems to be a suicide run with guns.
Because they are usually mentally unstable loners they are too socially disconnected to have a team or other support either.

I think that is why you see them doing the sniper and mall shooter OK corral type of plays in their little bids for attention.

I have one other thought to throw at you here.
If they had the knowledge, or organization behind them, to put together a Oklahoma City scene then having an armed congregation would not help much.
Either they would detonate in the middle of your crowd and be going to meet Jesus in the sky just like any other Jihaddi, or they would be expecting to stay secret and get away with it like Nichols and McVeigh.
(Of course Nichols and McVeigh are not in the profile of most of these Church shooters because it was a political action on their part and not for personal attention.)

The other shooters that appear are the estranged husbands and the boyfriends. There are always the people who are doing an shooting, knifing or beating out of purely personal motives.
Seldom are there attacks over business interests, but they do happen.
Either way whatever the reason these ones are just doing the murder in public is because it is where their intended victims are.
These ones are not usually after fame or "glory" but are after a specific target who just happens to be in your building.
They might be there to shoot the ex-wife or the mother in-law, they might be an upset wife there to kill her cheating hubby, or they might even be after an accountant who stole their life savings from them.

Now some questions for you.

If you were teaching your doormen what to watch for and alert you about, then what things would you put into the profile for people of interest?
Facial expression, body language, known personal conflicts, whether the person looks too disturbed or too calm, how much of a loner they are?
If you were alerted to somebody in the profile would you check them out, maybe refer them to counselling, or possibly even report them to official departments for suspicious behaviour?
Would you have somebody keeping an eye on them just in case they tried to do something?
In other words would you take a proactive or a reactive position?


I know profiles are never perfect and the intelligence about personal issues might not be available but those are things that should be worked on too.

If you know somebody in your congregation who suddenly starts acting "funny" then that should be a person of interest so far as security goes. You can consider the outreach or counselling people as a security resource in this case too.

Finally one odd observation and question. Very few Churches are ever robbed even though they have decent sized collections of cash during service.
So why aren't more Churches robbed?
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I just wanted to add one more thing Ben.
I mentioned earlier that security personnel get re-purposed to act as defacto first aid responders, ushers, parking attendants, cab hailers, tourist info, lost child locaters and everything else.
The flip side of that is all of the people doing those jobs can also be re-purposed to serve security functions, usually without them even being aware they are now part of a security system.

I think you had already picked the thought up, but I just wanted to make it explicit instead of implicit.



Edited by scafool (10/14/09 04:52 PM)
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