#183300 - 09/27/09 03:26 AM
Re: Men and gentlemen
[Re: Wheels]
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Registered: 01/21/04
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Loc: W. WA
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"If I was smart I would write a similar list for women."
That would be wonderful!
And I'm not saying that you need to be dressed like James Bond all the time, that would be stupid. Appropriate to conditions, is what I meant. Perfect all the time would be scary! Remember the Stepford Wives?
Wheels, they actually did used to teach basic manners in school. And handwriting. And history.
Knowing good manners is like having a firesteel on your keychain: you have the choice of using it or not using it, but if you need it, you've got it. Better than the other way around.
Sue
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#183305 - 09/27/09 04:17 AM
Re: Men and gentlemen
[Re: Susan]
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I was thinking similarly that ladies are few and far between nowadays too.
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#183309 - 09/27/09 05:36 AM
Re: Men and gentlemen
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Registered: 11/16/05
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Loc: Hawaii, USA
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I was thinking similarly that ladies are few and far between nowadays too. I will always hold a door open etc. Funny it's the really old ladies and/or mothers that seem to appreciate politeness and good manners. Not knocking any of you fine young ladies on the forum. It is just my observations. Many girls and young women are more rude than the men. Or so it seems sometimes.
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#183313 - 09/27/09 09:15 AM
Re: Men and gentlemen
[Re: Susan]
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Thanks for the reminder Susan I think I have done Ok for most points except this one * If you don't know how to dress properly, LEARN. That scruffy look doesn't attract the higher-class woman. Why would she want to appear to be supporting a homeless guy? Those days are gone when I would wear ANYTHING and it looks great on me. Now, with a big waist line, I can hardly find anything that can make me look good. LOL She deserves better than that, I know. Actually, I have been thinking about this since last week when I read something about men & women appearances. Specifically it was about husband & wife . I am trying to figure something to change my lifestyle and get 'younger' for her.
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#183314 - 09/27/09 09:33 AM
Re: Men and gentlemen
[Re: Susan]
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IT guys dress atrociously bad. They often don't comb their hair or don't use tuck in their shirts. I have seen this often.
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#183315 - 09/27/09 09:38 AM
Re: Men and gentlemen
[Re: Susan]
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what about women who drink too much booze? I find intoxicated women to be a major turn off.
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#183316 - 09/27/09 11:07 AM
Re: Men and gentlemen
[Re: Susan]
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How's that? Simple enough?
Here are a few really important basics:
* Don't spit. It isn't macho, it's repulsive.
* STOP LYING! Lying as easily as you breathe is NOT a recommendation.
* If you smoke or chew, stop. Licking an ashtray or spittoon is not high on any woman's list.
* If you don't know how to dress properly, LEARN. That scruffy look doesn't attract the higher-class woman. Why would she want to appear to be supporting a homeless guy?
* If you meet a woman you like and she doesn't like you, you aren't going to change her mind, so move on.
* Don't call, text or email a woman 30 times a day, even if she isn't working, as it means you're either a control freak or a stalker-type personality, and both are creepy.
* Public displays of affection are just showing off.
* Avoid showing off. Guys go for big things, women want you to do the little things. This alone can make or break you.
* Learn to take care of yourself. If you can't do your own laundry, clean your own place, take out the garbage before it smells, pick up your own dry cleaning or have rudimentary cooking skills, hire a maid. Ditto babysitters.
* If a relationship starts okay and then deteriorates, don't force her to get a restraining order.
If only it were that simple. 
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#183318 - 09/27/09 12:18 PM
Re: Men and gentlemen
[Re: Susan]
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Registered: 06/02/06
Posts: 5357
Loc: SOCAL
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Good thoughts Susan, it's been a long time since I had lessons in manners -- they didn't take. I found the article at the AoM site on Cultivating your gratitude very good reading. I say thanks and leave a tip, but that's rather mechanical and doesn't really communicate. A tip doesn't say thank you, "Thank you" says it. . . .We often assume that people either get thanks from other people or that they just somehow know how grateful we are for what they do. We are usually wrong on both counts. . .
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Better is the Enemy of Good Enough.
Okay, what’s your point??
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#183320 - 09/27/09 12:42 PM
Re: Men and gentlemen
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Registered: 12/06/01
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Loc: Orlando, FL
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Susan, i thought that this was your personals ad, Strong, independent, cynical woman seeks man with tractor, must send photo of tractor. Here is the photo,  Of course staying true to form for a personals ad the photo is a few years old, there is a lot less paint on the bucket now. Maybe we should all nominate Susan to be the moderator of of a new forum on relationship survival. I know that it is something that i could use help with from time to time.
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#183349 - 09/27/09 05:39 PM
Re: Men and gentlemen
[Re: RayW]
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Registered: 04/29/08
Posts: 285
Loc: Israel
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While in college, women called me the "best mannered guy" they've "ever met". At work, I'm "the only gentleman". Yet somehow, I'm 24 and single since the day I was born. I don't doubt girls admire the attributes outlined in the OP, but this STANDOUT MANNERS WILL GET YOU SEX is 100% false. I've got proof. Or rather, haven't.  P.S. I don't dismiss the possibility the OP refers solely to adults and I just have to hold out some 5-10 more years for the sex appeal to kick in. 
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