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#181109 - 09/01/09 11:57 PM Re: Scenario: trapped by wildfire, how to survive? [Re: KG2V]
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#181118 - 09/02/09 01:16 AM Re: Scenario: trapped by wildfire, how to survive? [Re: Todd W]
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Originally Posted By: Todd W

Yes, that is one of them Todd.

Also see "What not to do in a bush fire"
http://www.aussurvivalist.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12597&KW=fires

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#181135 - 09/02/09 09:11 AM Re: Scenario: trapped by wildfire, how to survive? [Re: scafool]
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Taking a clue from NightHiker and his suggestion to peruse the fire center site, thanks for the link, I came across a pfd at the bottom of the reference materials page that seems to directly address the issue:

http://www.nifc.gov/wfstar/safety_essays/Alexander_VICFFR_keynote_address.pdf

It assumes that your efforts at normal avoidance have failed and that entrapment or being burned over is likely. Given that; what are your options?

The four main options listed are:
 Retreat from the &#64257;re and reach a safe haven.
 Burn out a safety area.
 Hunker in place.
 Pass through the &#64257;re edge into the burned-out area.

The paper gives considerable detail on each and how they overlap, makes suggestions on technique, and gives historical examples of people who made it and many that didn't.

Tough call to make. Tougher still because even if you make the best possible decision there is no guarantee that all, or any, will make it. It doesn't say it but it seems clear that given a lack of grace and luck not every situation is survivable. Survivors are often very badly burned.

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#181142 - 09/02/09 12:40 PM Re: Scenario: trapped by wildfire, how to survive? [Re: Art_in_FL]
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That's an excellent read, thanks for posting the link.
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#181156 - 09/02/09 04:29 PM Re: Scenario: trapped by wildfire, how to survive? [Re: Russ]
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For external home fire situations, I saw a news segment on a product called Barricade. The concept was a fireman who watched a wet diaper remain untouched in a trash fire.

The product costs about $300 to spray onto a whole house. It creates a barrier that hold tremendous water for up to 18 hours. The test they showed was a sheet of plywood half covered in this product and set on fire. After they extinguished the fire, the untreated side was black, charred and smoking. The Barricade side was cool to the touch and looked new.

Standard disclaimer but looked interesting. Guess you can buy online but working with Home Depot to sell.
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#181163 - 09/02/09 05:36 PM Re: Scenario: trapped by wildfire, how to survive? [Re: comms]
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Just an idea a bit of the side from that Comms.
When we build fire rated walls in housing or offices we use a lot of fiber reinforced Gypsum board drywall.
The water in it is held chemically in the plaster. It takes extra heat to drive the water out of the plaster and turn the plaster back into Plaster of Paris.

It is the extra heat to break the chemical bonds between the water and plaster material that makes it so resistant to fire. Concrete has the same effect happen.

Steel truss buildings usually have a fiber reinforced cement plaster sprayed onto exposed steel and in in refineries exposed steel columns and beams are protected with a vermiculite and cement plaster mix.

Maybe Stucco will return as a popular wall finish.
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#181215 - 09/03/09 02:19 AM Re: Scenario: trapped by wildfire, how to survive? [Re: dweste]
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Originally Posted By: dweste
Roughly $400 and another 5 pounds of gear.

Edit: I wonder if, like high end bear canisters, these will be rentable?


Possibly...but I wouldn't chance it. Recognize that hotshots and jumpers, who's entire REASON for living is to be in the thick of things, statically NEVER use these things. A rental is just not worth it. You can get out of the way, especially if you're not being paid to be a barrier. Also: would you rent climbing gear? Fire shelters wear over time and you don't know how they've been abused. Hint: even sealed in box they've been abused.

Given 24 hours - you can get out of the way. I agree with digging in and what have you, but if you have 24 hours - or even 12 - a special olympics candidate is going to win the time trials. Stop thinking and start moving.

If I were going to carry another few pounds, I'd carry water. Even in a forest fire.
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