Originally Posted By: Paul810

By any chance have you looked at the Ford Expedition? I know it's an suv, but it seats 8 and has fold flat seating, which allows for full use of the cargo area. A friend just bought one and it's great, much better seating/cargo configuration than other traditional full size SUVs or modern crossovers. I forget how the headrests were, but it's worth taking a look at.


Maybe I'm utterly dense, as I'm not really a "car guy" but in late 1999 when we bought our 2000 Windstar (an utter POS, hated it all these last 10 years), it was rated at about 21 MPG highway.

10 years later, the vehicles I'm looking at get about 23 MPG. That's insane. That's not progress, that's regress.

As far as the Expedition goes - it's just so not for us. The mileage, the size, the expense - it's all so not us.

I'll be honest - the best car I ever owned was a 1983 Dodge Omni. Manual windows. No air conditioning. 35 MPG. A hatchback with a freakishly large amount of space. I loved that car. I later went to a 1995 Wrangler - again very basic, a vehicle that was reliable and simple.

I don't need 43 cup holders, 16 channel surround-sound movie systems and integral GPS. I want a structurally sound vehicle to carry people from a to b and back, not a "transportation experience".

The Kia guys haven't contacted us back yet...maybe maybe.