I actually have radios set up with upper and lower side bands. I was able to talk to Rantor from quite a distance away and on the other side of a cliff. It worked pretty well for what we were doing. Other then that it works like you said to caravan somewhere or out 4 wheeling.

I already found my Elmer. He is a long time radio hero around here. He is steering me in the right direction. I was thinking of getting a 2 meter first and then a 10 meter. I will go from there.