#175180 - 06/23/09 10:59 AM
Boy uses Man vs Wild to survive
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This came in to me and I thought I would share it here. It's refreshing to hear stories that come out well. The media isn't very keen on that concept. Boy Survives
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#175191 - 06/23/09 03:00 PM
Re: Boy uses Man vs Wild to survive
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At the risk of sounding ornery, it reads like he learned some things that ultimately did not help him at all: he did not sit tight, and he destroyed his yellow rain slicker--both effective for shelter and signalling. I suppose the guys on horseback, who found him, might have been following those shreds of rainslicker. Anyway, glad he's home safe.
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#175197 - 06/23/09 05:51 PM
Re: Boy uses Man vs Wild to survive
[Re: UncleGoo]
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"While rescuers didn't come across the yellow rain jacket strips tied to trees during their search, Karen Peterson of the Daggett County sheriff's office said Grayson was still smart to have done what he did..."
Ditto to UncleGoo. Although he might have learned how to build a shelter from Bear Grylls, that seems like the only thing he did right. In fact, it says he got panicked and left his pack, probably the only tool he had to help him survive. (It would be interesting to know what was in the pack).
I don't mean to be harsh on him because I doubt I would have had the sense to do anything right as a 9-year old. But giving Bear Grylls the credit is a stretch.
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#175198 - 06/23/09 06:37 PM
Re: Boy uses Man vs Wild to survive
[Re: MichaelJ07]
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ALL OF YOU:
Stop judging him like he's an adult.
And whilst your at it stop slagging Bear off. If he had been following Les Stroud's advice and done the same thing then you would have doubtless been full of praise for the lad.
Anyone who has been "killed" - and I note that one has yet to have such an incident reported on this forum - following Bear's advice blindly probably did humanity a favour. As with any such advice including that given on this forum.
You did all read the disclaimer on the main page?
Good.
Staying put or moving is a strictly situational judgement. As is how you utilise the resources available. He's obviously assessed the situation to the best of his limited ability and decided that he will not be rescued where he is. He survived. That's a pass with honours. Note that he's also big enough to discuss what he did "wrong." Which makes him a better man than many adults.
One other point re that report; The reporter seem more concerned about him dropping the sweet packet than him surviving.
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#175200 - 06/23/09 07:49 PM
Re: Boy uses Man vs Wild to survive
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[snip]I don't mean to be harsh on him because I doubt I would have had the sense to do anything right as a 9-year old. But giving Bear Grylls the credit is a stretch. I suspect that he didn't learn much that was specifically very useful to him from Bear. But perhaps the value of his having watched Bear "survive" on TV was learning that he, too could survive, and this may have helped him overcome his initial reported panic and start doing what he could to help himself.
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#175207 - 06/23/09 08:47 PM
Re: Boy uses Man vs Wild to survive
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ALL OF YOU:
Stop judging him like he's an adult.
And whilst your at it stop slagging Bear off. If he had been following Les Stroud's advice and done the same thing then you would have doubtless been full of praise for the lad.
Anyone who has been "killed" - and I note that one has yet to have such an incident reported on this forum - following Bear's advice blindly probably did humanity a favour. As with any such advice including that given on this forum.
You did all read the disclaimer on the main page?
Good.
Staying put or moving is a strictly situational judgement. As is how you utilise the resources available. He's obviously assessed the situation to the best of his limited ability and decided that he will not be rescued where he is. He survived. That's a pass with honours. Note that he's also big enough to discuss what he did "wrong." Which makes him a better man than many adults.
One other point re that report; The reporter seem more concerned about him dropping the sweet packet than him surviving.
Words fail me.
You do have some valid points: he's NOT an adult, and given the short attention span of a nine year old, if it wasn't raining at the time, then he probably didn't project a need for that jacket as shelter. "Don't get yourself more lost" is a foundation lesson he missed, regardless of whose show he watched. At least he didn't have to cut his arm off. The circumspection is good. The "survive" attitude is good. Where you're incorrect, is when you say "Words fail me:" that should have come just after "Stop judging him like he's an adult." And I'm just joking on that last bit.
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#175210 - 06/23/09 09:10 PM
Re: Boy uses Man vs Wild to survive
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I agree with J M that watching Bear "survive" may very well have made him realize he could also.
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#175214 - 06/23/09 09:26 PM
Re: Boy uses Man vs Wild to survive
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Glad the kids ok - but anyone going for a hike with children (or those that behave like children) might like to have the "hug-a-tree" talk and make sure they have a whistle.
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#175238 - 06/24/09 01:09 PM
Re: Boy uses Man vs Wild to survive
[Re: Leigh_Ratcliffe]
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ALL OF YOU:
Stop judging him like he's an adult.
I guess I didn't make it clear that I wasn't judging the 9-year old. I agree with all the comments here about him doing very well. I am very grateful he survived--we had a boy die a few years ago in Utah that was 150 meters from camp when he got lost. This is still hard to handle and for all of us involved in Scouting, and we work harder to prepare young people because of his death. I agree that this boy could have gotten the "survival" mentality from Bear Grylls. If nothing else, that did help. And heaven only knows that his show is much better than a lot of the stuff on TV today. Having said that, I've watched a few episodes of Bear Grylls show and it is obvious to me that people could get very hurt following his example.
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#175240 - 06/24/09 01:20 PM
Re: Boy uses Man vs Wild to survive
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Good story. It makes me soften a little on Bear. Yes, he's an idiot but it seems he saved at least one life. I guess though we also need to figure out how many people have gotten hurt or killed mimicking him.
-Blast, who is itching for some woodtime. Bear is entertainment rather than education, and it might be little unfair to beat him up for it. The kid could have chosen to base his survival plan on Sponge Bob or Jackass, with less favorable results. Most of my early survival training came from Ramar of the Jungle and Wile E. Coyote episodes, which tended to serve me poorly.
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#175241 - 06/24/09 01:47 PM
Re: Boy uses Man vs Wild to survive
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ALL OF YOU:
And whilst your at it stop slagging Bear off. If he had been following Les Stroud's advice and done the same thing then you would have doubtless been full of praise for the lad.
+1 on that
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#175258 - 06/24/09 06:53 PM
Re: Boy uses Man vs Wild to survive
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The boy specifically stated that he wanted to follow the creek potentially to a lake or other civilization. There really isn’t a much better plan if you are going to be moving than to follow the water. I'm sure that's sound advice in some terrain. But in others, notably in some mountainous terrain, following a watercourse often leads you into an increasinly steep, dangerous, narrow, thicket-choked ravine, where you are more likely to get hurt and less likely to be spotted by searhers. There are few hard and fast rules.
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#175270 - 06/25/09 12:35 PM
Re: Boy uses Man vs Wild to survive
[Re: Tyber]
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This is typical media hype.
Boy watches Bear Grylls; boy gets lost in woods; boy fails to die. Therefore Bear Grylls saved him!
This is arguing post hoc ergo propter hoc. Was there a single piece of advice from Bear Grylls that led to his survival or rescue? Is there any actual relationship between the show and his surviving?
Stories like this one annoy me.
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