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#175255 - 06/24/09 05:28 PM Re: Survivor buried friend to prevent hypothermia [Re: Blast]
Mike_H Offline
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Originally Posted By: Blast
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I apologize to everyone for the geeky response I gave above. I could have given the basic result/advice without the physical basis, but I work with these equations regularly as an earth scientist.


No need to apologize, I thought your answer rocked!
grin
-Blast


Ditto...

And if his friend didn't make it, he is almost all the way buried already. [*joke*]
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#175269 - 06/25/09 09:04 AM Re: Survivor buried friend to prevent hypothermia [Re: Mike_H]
Chisel Offline
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As Desperado said : it is winter now in Australia

Burying someone ( or yourself ) in sand eliminates teh wind chill effect and reduces heat loss. It is like being wrapped in a thick blanket.

Remember a few years (or months?) back there was a story about a Brazilizan kid who found himself in a large deep hole and had to throw his clothes out so that someone may spot the scattered shoes and clothes around and come to rescue him ( which was how he was rescued ). Without much clothes left on him he was feeling cold in the night, so he buried himself in the sand or mud. Although I would think that dry sand will insulate one's body better than wet mud, but it is better than being exposed to the wind.

To understand the logic behind being buried even in wet soil, I remember reading something about finding yourself in cold waters. The writer said not to move too much because your clothes will trap some water wich will absorb some of your temp and becomes slightly warmer than the surrounding water . Too much movement will stirr and mix the waters and you end up with fresh cool waters touching your body which absorb more of your temp faster. Some will argue that movement will generate heat to warm you up. That is true wbut it will exhaust you and drain your temp in the long run.

my 2¢

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#175273 - 06/25/09 01:23 PM Re: Survivor buried friend to prevent hypothermia [Re: Chisel]
paramedicpete Offline
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Registered: 04/09/02
Posts: 1920
Loc: Frederick, Maryland
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To understand the logic behind being buried even in wet soil, I remember reading something about finding yourself in cold waters. The writer said not to move too much because your clothes will trap some water wich will absorb some of your temp and becomes slightly warmer than the surrounding water . Too much movement will stirr and mix the waters and you end up with fresh cool waters touching your body which absorb more of your temp faster. Some will argue that movement will generate heat to warm you up. That is true wbut it will exhaust you and drain your temp in the long run.


The best is to use the Heat Escape Lessening Posture (H.E.L.P.) posture:

Hypothermia Prevention

HELP and Huddle

Cold Water Survival

Cold Water Hypothermia

Pete

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#175411 - 06/29/09 03:17 AM Re: Survivor buried friend to prevent hypothermia [Re: williamlatham]
Art_in_FL Offline
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Registered: 09/01/07
Posts: 2432
Originally Posted By: williamlatham
While I didn't read the article, I wonder if he was misquoted and meant hyperthermia vice hypothermia.
Bill


My first though was much the same. It is pretty common in deserts for the surface temperatures to be well above 100F. Dig down in even dry sand and it can be 30F cooler. Standard desert strategy for hyperthermia, too high a temperature.

Then again if you could find dry sand digging in would, at the very least, get you out of the wind and might slow evaporative cooling so it might work for hypothermia, too low a temperature, also.

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