#173890 - 05/28/09 01:31 AM
Re: The Perfect Survival Firearm Doesn't Exist
[Re: AROTC]
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Well, as far as I am concerned I am not back to pistols really, because I never left them! You see, what I do now is carry an Airlight S&W 22 caliber eight round revolver in a holster settled on my belt in the middle of my belt where its lightness is often forgotten till I undress at the of the day. And often I carry a very lightweight 20GA pump shotgun, too. This combination works for nearly everything except ideal personal protection from the quite possible ne’er do wells often encountered in remote areas that motor vehicles can still reach. So, what I have proposed is to somehow combine a 22 with a shotgun in one very light and convenient general purpose “survival” firearm but always carry a sidearm for the human threats that are possible. This cuts down on weight. Less weight to carry obviously translates into more energy to enjoy the great outdoors and increase the likelihood that you will have what you need when you need it. I think it excessive to carry two pistols plus the shotgun for routine outings and if two of them could be combined into one it would just be more sensible.
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#173891 - 05/28/09 01:32 AM
Re: The Perfect Survival Firearm
[Re: Hornfrog]
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Well, as far as I am concerned I am not back to pistols really, because I never left them! You see, what I do now is carry an Airlight S&W 22 caliber eight round revolver in a holster settled on my belt in the middle of my belt where its lightness is often forgotten till I undress at the of the day. And often I carry a very lightweight 20GA pump shotgun, too. This combination works for nearly everything except ideal personal protection from the quite possible ne’er do wells often encountered in remote areas that motor vehicles can still reach. So, what I have proposed is to somehow combine a 22 with a shotgun in one very light and convenient general purpose “survival” firearm but always carry a sidearm for the human threats that are possible. This cuts down on weight. Less weight to carry obviously translates into more energy to enjoy the great outdoors and increase the likelihood that you will have what you need when you need it. I think it excessive to carry two pistols plus the shotgun for routine outings and if two of them could be combined into one it would just be more sensible.
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#173940 - 05/29/09 02:32 AM
Re: The Perfect Survival Firearm
[Re: Hornfrog]
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I usually stay away from firearms threads, but to me the perfect survival firearm is a .22 LR rifle. Not a pistol, but a rifle.
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#173946 - 05/29/09 06:27 AM
Re: The Perfect Survival Firearm
[Re: DannyL]
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Can anyone imagine those first caribou hunters who followed herds across the Bering land bridge ( and sometimes followed them back to Siberia) and what they faced? Prehistoric bears that stood AT THE SHOULDER taller than humans that could outrun a horse.This is why my military background gave rise to an early thesis of a largely coastal migration in skin boats ( accepted for my degree though dismissed by my chair who never once sailed the ocean.) I am waiting for our cheecakos on 'THE ALASKAN EXPERIMENT' to blunder into the most deadly of alaskan mammals ( sourdoughs all agree the mosquitos and no see ums are the real killers)---A bull moose in rut. Fact is, more people are injured or killed by moose in Alaska than all the polar,grizz,black and kodiak brownies combined. "If we have a race war, I'm siding with the bears."- John Muir
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#173985 - 05/30/09 03:53 AM
Re: The Perfect Survival Firearm
[Re: Chris Kavanaugh]
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Echo that Chris. Unless I'm hunting, the ONLY reason I carry a rifle in the woods is moose in rut. A randy bull moose can destroy a Volvo, and he's just being romantic with it.
I'm squishier than a Volvo.
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#173999 - 05/30/09 01:59 PM
Re: The Perfect Survival Firearm
[Re: Taurus]
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As I have told numerous folks who are heading to Alaska: The only firearm you need is a .22 pistol/revolver. If you are being attacked, all you do is knee-cap your partner -- you only have to be faster than one person... I do agree about the 10/22..Great firearm. I put a Williams peep sight with a hooded front sight. Helped a bunch with improving my marginal accuracy. Standard Disclaimer 2 cents
Edited by MoBOB (05/30/09 02:00 PM)
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#174004 - 05/30/09 04:12 PM
Re: The Perfect Survival Firearm
[Re: MDinana]
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The world record bear is a monster Polar killed by an Inuit with-- a 220 Swift. I helped murder a Kodiak that became a danger to a local community. The post mortim revealed old wounds holding 14 rounds ranging from .30 to .375 caliber, all poorly placed. I'd have an attitude too. Later a butcher suffered a fatal heart attack and gently crashlanded his J 3 in a big meadow. When we arrived bears were everywhere eating black deer sausages, moose chops and caribou stew cuts. I discharged 17 of 20 .375 rounds I had ( read earlier post about private weapons supplamneting the Ithaca survival rifle) and they still ignored us. So, we waited until they were finished before moving in. I had my last 3 loaded, everybody's nervous and I'm laughing. If I had a belly full of black deer suasage why eat a stringy coastie? After military service, I spent a season on Kenai doing bear surveys. We all checked out on the .375 H&H. More importantly, we learned how to avoid confrontations. More bears are murdered annually than all the deaths of humans since records were kept. In the RARE case of a bear charge the standard shot is one to the shoulder to break the charge and THEN a killing shot, or shots. For that a robust bullet of high sectional density; a 7MM 174 GR .30 220gr .357 350 gr etc. is best. What is better, is to just be loud,obnoxious and behave like most people outdoors. Bears actually have rather high standards of who they socialise with. Drooling grizz on the cover of Outdoor Strife sell magazines, not common sense.
Edited by Chris Kavanaugh (05/30/09 04:16 PM)
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