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#164790 - 01/24/09 02:17 AM Re: Editorial About Charging For Rescue [Re: ki7he]
bsmith Offline
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Originally Posted By: ki7he
Originally Posted By: bsmith
the question i have is : who pays for the chopper? nevada county or the military or a private entity that has an arrangement with the county?

Originally Posted By: benjammin
I note that the recent Mt. Hood recovery of a dead hiker utilized Blackhawk helicopters owned by the National Guard. Last I remember, the National Guard is paid for out of government funds. I have yet to hear that the survivor was billed for the service. That means every citizen of Oregon gets to pay for their mistake.


It comes out of the training budget of the military. You have to bear in mind that the chopper crew are required a certain number of hours a month of training. That's the same if they're using it for SAR, public affair events or generally just flying around burning fuel. If you talk to them they'ed rather be spend that time doing something useful like SAR or medical evacuation. It costs the same either way so you can't always count that as a cost of the search.

ain't necessarily so, joe.
the most recent extraction i'm aware of ALMOST took place on mt hood by a national guard blackhawk.

from the register-guard here.
"An Oregon Army National Guard Blackhawk helicopter was called to airlift the pair off the mountain, authorities said, but was recalled after one climber was reported dead and the other had climbed down on his own."

so it appears to me they had better things to do - or were conscious of the cost and safety of their crew - than to extract a person who was already dead.

point is, dollars count.

the local crew in my area (sheriffs dept) flies about one mission per day - law enforcement, sar, medical rescue, marijuana (!) extraction from the forest - etc. otherwise, they are not just "flying around", they are at base. i know. i just called and asked.
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#164797 - 01/24/09 03:15 AM Re: Editorial About Charging For Rescue [Re: bsmith]
clearwater Offline
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It ain't about the dollars. Its about risk. The MAST choppers
don't do recovery of bodies.

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#164808 - 01/24/09 04:23 AM Re: Editorial About Charging For Rescue [Re: bsmith]
ki7he Offline
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Registered: 12/27/06
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Loc: SW Idaho
Originally Posted By: bsmith

ain't necessarily so, joe.
the most recent extraction i'm aware of ALMOST took place on mt hood by a national guard blackhawk.

from the register-guard here.
"An Oregon Army National Guard Blackhawk helicopter was called to airlift the pair off the mountain, authorities said, but was recalled after one climber was reported dead and the other had

so it appears to me they had better things to do - or were conscious of the cost and safety of their crew - than to extract a person who was already dead.

point is, dollars count.


I thought the question was about who pays for military choppers when they're used in a SAR mission. I'm not sure what point you're making to the statement I made? Are you suggesting that someone else, other than the tax payers, are paying for the missions? That would be nice, I guess, but that's just not so.

Originally Posted By: bsmith
the local crew in my area (sheriffs dept) flies about one mission per day - law enforcement, sar, medical rescue, marijuana (!) extraction from the forest - etc. otherwise, they are not just "flying around", they are at base. i know. i just called and asked.


Now you're talking about a local sherrifs office. I can't speak to that. The original question was about military choppers not civilian law enforcement. As someone else mentioned, the military doesn't do do body recovery (or law enforcement for that matter). Every mission they do assist on has to first be approved by the Pentagon before they can participate (at least that's how the Idaho National Guard operates). They generally can only assist in medical related missions. Maybe that's why you get the impression they only fly missions they feel like it or are only flying high profile missions.


Edited by ki7he (01/24/09 04:25 AM)

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