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#165000 - 01/26/09 12:10 AM Re: My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics) [Re: digimark]
MDinana Offline
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Registered: 03/08/07
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Loc: Beer&Cheese country
Originally Posted By: digimark
Need to remember to pack a honey packet to feed the ants. For amusement when you're surviving, I mean.


Amusement? Do a Scott Grady and eat the little SOB's. Get your protein AND flavor in one easy nibble!

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#165101 - 01/26/09 06:53 PM Re: My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics) [Re: MDinana]
Mike_H Offline
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Registered: 04/04/07
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Loc: SE PA
Originally Posted By: MDinana
Originally Posted By: digimark
Need to remember to pack a honey packet to feed the ants. For amusement when you're surviving, I mean.


Amusement? Do a Scott Grady and eat the little SOB's. Get your protein AND flavor in one easy nibble!


Funny no matter how you look at it!

Anyway, just finished a weekend camping with the scouts. We were in a cabin, but spent the whole day on Saturday out and about in the cold.

The scouts were being challenged by tests of their various skills. The last being starting a fire. The night prior, I gave a demo of fire starting using various tinders and lighting sources. They really liked the Spark-Lite!!! I tried using it with Wet Fire tinder, but didn't have any success. This was a piece I took right from the packaging. It wasn't even in my kit. Anyone else have issues with it? It seemed very chalk like. I also decided that I was going to remove my magnesium block from my kit and allocate that space to something else. Seemed too much effort to scrape a pile of shavings. Oddly enough, I had used the block before and didn't have as much difficulity with it. I really wonder if age has more of an effect on those blocks than you would think.

They were told to gather the necessary components for a fire along their hike. I ran the fire starting and gave them a cotton ball and a BSA Hot Spark. Of course, I had to make sure that I could do this to. So, when they were doing their other checkpoints, I gathered up my supplies and got my fire going within minutes.

You can't believe how much complaining I got from them asking to use matches. I looked at them and said that they had no problem getting the cotton ball to light. The problem they were having was getting their tinder/kindling laid out right for a sustained fire.

After it was all over, we had a "debriefing" in the cabin and I explained what went wrong. We went back out an hour later and had them collect their tinder and kindling again. This time, every team got their fire going with one cotton ball.

Many scouts liked the components of Doug's PSP and I think a few of them were going to invest in one. They liked how loud the whistle was!

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#165103 - 01/26/09 07:07 PM Re: My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics) [Re: Mike_H]
Desperado Offline
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Registered: 11/01/08
Posts: 1530
Loc: DFW, Texas
Originally Posted By: Mike_H
Originally Posted By: MDinana
Originally Posted By: digimark
Need to remember to pack a honey packet to feed the ants. For amusement when you're surviving, I mean.


Amusement? Do a Scott Grady and eat the little SOB's. Get your protein AND flavor in one easy nibble!


Funny no matter how you look at it!

Anyway, just finished a weekend camping with the scouts. We were in a cabin, but spent the whole day on Saturday out and about in the cold.

The scouts were being challenged by tests of their various skills. The last being starting a fire. The night prior, I gave a demo of fire starting using various tinders and lighting sources. They really liked the Spark-Lite!!! I tried using it with Wet Fire tinder, but didn't have any success. This was a piece I took right from the packaging. It wasn't even in my kit. Anyone else have issues with it? It seemed very chalk like. I also decided that I was going to remove my magnesium block from my kit and allocate that space to something else. Seemed too much effort to scrape a pile of shavings. Oddly enough, I had used the block before and didn't have as much difficulity with it. I really wonder if age has more of an effect on those blocks than you would think.

They were told to gather the necessary components for a fire along their hike. I ran the fire starting and gave them a cotton ball and a BSA Hot Spark. Of course, I had to make sure that I could do this to. So, when they were doing their other checkpoints, I gathered up my supplies and got my fire going within minutes.

You can't believe how much complaining I got from them asking to use matches. I looked at them and said that they had no problem getting the cotton ball to light. The problem they were having was getting their tinder/kindling laid out right for a sustained fire.

After it was all over, we had a "debriefing" in the cabin and I explained what went wrong. We went back out an hour later and had them collect their tinder and kindling again. This time, every team got their fire going with one cotton ball.

Many scouts liked the components of Doug's PSP and I think a few of them were going to invest in one. They liked how loud the whistle was!



Wet Fire Tender: Chalk it up into powder&shavings then hit it with the sparklite.

Mg Block: Don't toss it. It is the one thing I have gotten to work without question anywhere/anytime/any conditions. Instead of shaving with a blade, first file with your multi-tool file for powder. Then get some shavings with a blade. Make a dime to quarter size pile and spark it up. If it fails, you are going to die anyway because there is no oxygen in you environment.

Good Luck


Edited by Desperado (01/26/09 07:09 PM)
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#165104 - 01/26/09 07:10 PM Re: My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics) [Re: Desperado]
Mike_H Offline
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Originally Posted By: Desperado

Wet Fire Tender: Chalk it up into powder&shavings then hit it with the sparklite.

Mg Block: Don't toss it. It is the one thing I have gotten to work without question anywhere/anytime/any conditions. Instead of shaving with a blade file with your multi-tool file for powder. Then get some shavings with a blade. Make a dime to quarter size pile and spark it up. If it fails, you are going to die anyway because there is no oxygen in you environment.

Good Luck


I did that with the Wet Fire without much success. I will experiment at home in a more controlled environment.

I had used that block in the past without problem. I was shaving it and filing it, but didn't seem to catch as well as it used too. Probably needed more patience with it as I was rushing a bit when demoing to the scouts.

I'm a big fan of the Spark-Lite tho. Both the tinder and the sparker!
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#165108 - 01/26/09 07:14 PM Re: My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics) [Re: Mike_H]
MDinana Offline
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Registered: 03/08/07
Posts: 2208
Loc: Beer&Cheese country
Originally Posted By: Mike_H

Wet Fire Tender: Chalk it up into powder&shavings then hit it with the sparklite.

Mg Block: Don't toss it. It is the one thing I have gotten to work without question anywhere/anytime/any conditions. Instead of shaving with a blade file with your multi-tool file for powder. Then get some shavings with a blade. Make a dime to quarter size pile and spark it up. If it fails, you are going to die anyway because there is no oxygen in you environment.

Good Luck



I've never been able to get the Mg block to be useful. THe shavings always flare for a split second and die away, having ignited nothing in the vicinity, except the hair on the back of my hands. Am I doing something wrong? Personally, I'd rather take the same weight in matches or lighters, since I'm more comfortable with those.


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#165133 - 01/26/09 09:50 PM Re: My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics) [Re: MDinana]
scafool Offline
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Registered: 12/18/08
Posts: 1534
Loc: Muskoka
Originally Posted By: MDinana


I've never been able to get the Mg block to be useful. THe shavings always flare for a split second and die away, having ignited nothing in the vicinity, except the hair on the back of my hands. Am I doing something wrong? Personally, I'd rather take the same weight in matches or lighters, since I'm more comfortable with those.


I have gone through 3 of those blocks, working on the 4th.
I wore out the sparker long before I used up much of the magnesium block.
I suspect they intend you to make a big pile of shavings if you need to use the magnesium.
You still need something decent for the magnesium to light on fire when it starts to burn.

Sparkers are something to use of you lose your lighters or matches.
After the sparkers you end up looking at banging rocks together or rubbing sticks together, and good luck with that in the rain.
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#165144 - 01/26/09 11:25 PM Re: My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics) [Re: MDinana]
ironraven Offline
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Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 4642
Loc: Vermont
What are you putting the shavings into?

I'll spend several minutes with mine, getting it into the finest tinder I can. It is usually stuff that the spark alone would work with if it was perfectly dry, and the magnesium gets the temp up so you can puff it into flames. *shrugs* I've had good luck with mine, but I'm not using it to light a sheet of birch bark. Instead, I'll sliver the birch bark, then put then under and around somethign like part of a fluffed cat tail head, and add the shavings into that nest. Then the sparks. If I had pistol cartridge around, I'd use the powder the same way. Neither powder nor magnesium shavings is really tinder to me, but it is better than a match. I find that putting magnesium into 0000 steel wool, even when it is wet and a little rusty, works really, really well.

As for the weight, magnesium is almost as light as aluminum. Not sure the equivelent weight is all that much, but the equivelent volume might be a good substitution if you have some difficulty with these.
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#165201 - 01/27/09 02:54 AM Re: My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics) [Re: ironraven]
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Registered: 01/16/09
Posts: 32
Loc: Kali4nya
Howdy Folks! My 1st time out here,But I've been a Spider for many moons & Finally Registered/Donated$$ to the site.With that outa' the way now,Regarding the Mg blocks not functioning as they should,I Also have had some difficulties,until I ran into a site on ebay.This fellow is located in the Industrial section-Metal Alloys.He sell's 1lb bags of Pure Mg.Shavings & 25 cotton balls with his own secret recipe of metallic powder,infused thereof. Aprox.$15.00 shipped to the 48 This stuff is THE BEST,& Light as a Feather! I pack this in many tiny zip-locks & dispurse them throughout my gear components,so that I may Never be without this Excellent Source. Just go to ebay & Type in Magnesium in the search box,His Handle is mykobi57 .These cotton balls will light with a few sparks from an empty Bic lighter,& you add a small pinch of Mg. shavings on top,& you can burn wet tinder,If you have to!I Hope this Helps everyone as,much as,It Helped me! RoverOver

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#165286 - 01/27/09 04:31 PM Re: My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics) [Re: RoverOver]
Mike_H Offline
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Maybe I'll keep in in the kit for a bit longer... It is more of a backup piece than a first line of defence, so to speak.
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