#163914 - 01/20/09 01:08 AM
My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics)
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Figured I would finally take a few pics of my survival gear that I pack in my day pack when I'm off hiking, camping, etc... I go with a more modular approach. Some of the containers are a bit large, but they contain individual containers that I can quickly stash about my person. I also tend to keep a set of EDC on me, in case I get seperated from my pack. Here is an over picture of the elements of my kit: The main elements are carried in Otter Boxes: Clockwise from Top Left: Otter Box 3000 / PSK Tacoma Mountain Rescue Shelter Rain poncho (looking to replace this one with something more robust) 100' 550 Paracord Adventure Medical Kits Heatsheets Survival Blanket Celox Otter Box 2000 / FAK Large rubber band underneath it all. Will break down the Otter Boxes in the next posts.
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#163915 - 01/20/09 01:19 AM
Re: My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics)
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FAK: Otter box 2000 (yellow) 6.855 x 4.571 x 1.829 Top: .5 oz CELOX Clockwise again: Bitran Saranex Waterproof Airtight Bag containing: 1 - Antibiotic Ointment 1 - Povidone-Iodine Ointment 6 - Antiseptic Towelettes 2 - Wound Closure Strips 4 - Butterfly Closure Strips 1 - 2 x 3 Moleskin 1 - Tincture of Benzoin 2 - 3 x 3 Sterile Gauze Pads 6 - 1 x 3 Adhesive Strips 2 - Knuckle Bandages 4 - 1 x 3 Waterproof Adhesive Strips 4 - Ibuprofen 2 - Antihistamine 2 - Sting Relief Pads 1 ½ x 2.5 Yards Medical Tape 2 - Electrolyte Tablets Spark-Lite Fire starter Flint Spark-Lite Fire Tab Tinders Magnesium Block with Flint on beaded keychain. 4 - Imodium-AD caplets 2 - Chewable Tylenol Tablets 2 - Excedrin (with caffeine) Tweezers 2 - #2 Safety Pins Small Tube Diprolene AF (Topical Steroid [poison ivy]) 10 - Steri-Strips 4 - Alcohol Prep Pads
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#163916 - 01/20/09 01:28 AM
Re: My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics)
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PSK - Ok, a bit larger than that... I wasn't about to unpack this whole thing, so I'll do more of a list: Of course I used Doug's PSP kit as a base for this all. Otter box 3000 (yellow) 8.813 x 5.175 x 2.008 Rescue Flash Signal Mirror Fox-40 Rescue Howler Survival Whistle #22 Scalpel Blade Spark-Lite Fire starter Flint 7 - Spark-Lite "Fire Tab" Tinders 2 - WetFire Tinder 25 - Windproof/Waterproof NATO Lifeboat Matches and Striker Strip Coghlan Commando Saw Fishing Kit (contained in small altoid tin on far right): 12 asst. hooks (4 small, 8 treble hooks [2 large, 5 medium, 1 small] ), 7 swivels (3 small, 2 medium, 2 large), 12 split shot (2 small, 10 medium), 1 spinner, 1 rooster tail, 3 steel leaders, 50 ft. 20 lb. Fishing Line, 2 x 35ft SpiderWire Braided Fishing Line on bobbins, 5 Extra Large Hooks 4/0 (use as gaff) 6 ft. Stainless Steel Utility Wire White narrow-angle Dough Ritter Photon Freedom Micro-Light II with neck lanyard and hat clip. 2 ft. Plastic Tube (for water seeps) Fresnel Lens Magnifier 20MM Button Compass 6 - Survival Snares with wire lock. (Altoid tin far left) Potassium Permanganate Crystals in plastic vial (approx 3.75cc) Electrolyte Tablet 10 - Katadyn Micropur MP1 Water Purifier Tablets 2 - 1 QT double ZipLoc Freezer Bags 16 x 17.5 Reynolds Plastic Baking Bag with nylon tie 3 - Herb ox instant Beef Broth 3 - Herb ox instant Chicken Broth 6 ft. - Jute twine (tinder amongst other uses) 10 ft. Braided Nylon Cord 26 in. Duct Tape 50 ft. #69 Black Nylon Thread Sewing Needle / large 4 - #2 Safety Pins / large 8 - Screw Hooks 4 - Screw Eyes 4 - 7 Zip Ties 3 sq. ft. H.D. Aluminum Foil Thin Pencil (unsharpened) 2 - "Rite in the Rain" paper, 2 x 3 in. sheets
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#163936 - 01/20/09 02:47 AM
Re: My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics)
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No, no. Elaborate as in "That's an elaborate setup." LOL! That was classic. I think it is good. I see a bit of minor duplication but I assume that is because you meant it to be dividable. I really like seeing the Blood Clotter. I will look for that product now and include a package in my FAK. It is such an obvious addition. I am often out in the cold and I am no longer on blood thinners, but when I was I remember how hard a minor bleed was to get stopped in the cold.
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#163939 - 01/20/09 03:48 AM
Re: My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics)
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Nice kit, has all the basics and a few extras without being bloated with needless items.
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#163943 - 01/20/09 04:45 AM
Re: My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics)
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Very nice.
At first glance, I thought the Adventure Medical Kits Heatsheets Survival Blanket was a shrink wrapped Whoopie Cushion.
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#163952 - 01/20/09 10:03 AM
Re: My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics)
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Very nice.
At first glance, I thought the Adventure Medical Kits Heatsheets Survival Blanket was a shrink wrapped Whoopie Cushion. Oh, now wouldn't THAT be a first! "Matches? Check. Mirror? Check. PLB? Check. Whoopie cushion? Check."
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#163968 - 01/20/09 12:56 PM
Re: My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics)
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Heh heh... Elaborate... Gotta love misreading the intention late at night. Yeah, the duplication is intentional as I don't like to put all of my eggs in one basket, so to speak. I typically carry a SAK, Leatherman Wave, Gerber Infinity (single AA LED flashlight), a BSA Hot Spark, some jute twine, and a lighter on my person. I tuck the vacuum packed components into cargo pockets when I head out into the wilds. I like the box in a box setup, very organized, excellent use of space. Maybe you could cram 1 or 2 of those small glowsticks in there in case you needed light at night? They come in pretty small sizes, but then, I'm a glowstick freak, I have like 10 in my bag. I'm not a huge fan of glowsticks. I actually have two stored in my pack, but I consider them seperate from my "survival" gear. For light, I've got the Infinity and Doug's Photon. Plus lots of firemaking opportunities. I think Doug made a comment in one of his reviews, if you can't make a fire with what is in this kit, you are better off being taken out of the gene pool. At first glance, I thought the Adventure Medical Kits Heatsheets Survival Blanket was a shrink wrapped Whoopie Cushion.
Now that is funny! Who said survival can't be funny. Pllbbbbbttt... hah hah, you fell for my survival whoopie cushion trick! The two normal sized Altoid tins contain my survival snares and the bulk of Doug's commercial PSK. Would love to slip one of his new knives into this kit. Maybe the light as well. I like having the pre-made snares so I don't have to fool around with making some up. I do have the wire in there if I need to create more. Another thing I'd like to add are some extra batteries for the Photon.
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#163999 - 01/20/09 05:52 PM
Re: My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics)
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Otter boxes are nice, but heavy - I would use tupperware. Can we assume a jacket, cell phone, knife, hat, sunglasses, map in your eHc* ?
Water carried elsewhere?
100' of paracord seems like alot.
I tend to carry more meds - 20 pain meds are tiny and useful.
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#164000 - 01/20/09 06:09 PM
Re: My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics)
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Otter boxes are nice, but heavy - I would use tupperware. Can we assume a jacket, cell phone, knife, hat, sunglasses, map in your eHc* ?
Water carried elsewhere?
100' of paracord seems like alot.
I tend to carry more meds - 20 pain meds are tiny and useful.
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( *everyday Hiking carry) I like the otter boxes for waterproofing and durability. The weight is negligible for the benefit. Yes, you can safely assume proper clothing, knife (as mentioned above), cell phone, hat, sunglasses, map, compass, water for the rest of my hiking gear. I'm hoping to acquire a GPS soon as well. I have another FAK that is more robust when camping. This FAK is more personal sized. Note taken for the medications. I'm thinking of adding more benadryl and some more tylenol. Acquired some packets recently and there is still plently of room to add them. Interesting thought about paracord. So, the question is, how much is enough, how much is too little, and how much is too much? I carry all of this in a camelback, so that takes care of the water equation.
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#164008 - 01/20/09 08:59 PM
Re: My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics)
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Interesting thought about paracord. So, the question is, how much is enough, how much is too little, and how much is too much? That is a really good question. I always find that when I need rope or cord I need either an awful lot or a very little bit. 100 feet of cord is not a lot when you start rigging tents or tarps. It is only 10 lengths of 10 feet. I do have a few thousand feet of braided nylon masons line (100 lbs test) and a couple of miles of finer stuff like fish line, thread and dental floss. (but I don't carry all of it with me all of the time, just a little bit of string and a pocket container of floss most days.) I also like having lots of cheap string around too. Plastic binder twine can be very useful and is dirt cheap. A roll of binder twine is a lot of twine. I have seen reels of poly rope thrown away on construction sites. Poly might not be great for strength, holding knots or handling, but you can not get rope at a lower cost than that. I don't buy Paracord because 550 is almost impossible to get here and is way over priced. I get the stuff they sell to climbers instead. Which reminds me to stop on the way home and buy a few more of hundred feet of it.
Edited by scafool (01/20/09 09:05 PM) Edit Reason: grammar
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#164012 - 01/20/09 10:38 PM
Re: My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics)
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Wondering if anyone has weighed an Otter box and compared it to a comparably sized Pelican case? The Pelican's have one advantage, I think anyway, in that they use a clear lid, makes it easier to ID the contents if one uses more than one in the same size. The Pelican's can be found pretty cheap too. Never priced an Otter so I can't compare that either.
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#164014 - 01/20/09 10:48 PM
Re: My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics)
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Wondering if anyone has weighed an Otter box and compared it to a comparably sized Pelican case? The Pelican's have one advantage, I think anyway, in that they use a clear lid, makes it easier to ID the contents if one uses more than one in the same size. The Pelican's can be found pretty cheap too. Never priced an Otter so I can't compare that either.
JohnE Otter box also sells the same models with clear lids. I opted to get the solid/padded versions.
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#164022 - 01/20/09 11:43 PM
Re: My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics)
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Taking your paracord question to another thread new thread on paracord...
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#164043 - 01/21/09 01:17 AM
Re: My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics)
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I use Pelicans for electronics when on the water or likely to get rained on. They are heavy but hard cases and water tight. All the ones I have are solid colours, not clear. I am actualy not familiar with Otter boxes.
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#164044 - 01/21/09 01:19 AM
Re: My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics)
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Pelican/Otter Box.....
Same soup, different bowl.
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#164140 - 01/21/09 12:08 PM
Re: My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics)
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Yeah, both are very similar. I was actually surprised how neatly 2 regular size altoids tins and one small tin seemed to fit perfectly in the one model. Made organization of my supplies much easier.
Those snares were tough to pack.
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#164997 - 01/25/09 11:35 PM
Re: My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics)
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Otter boxes are nice, but heavy - I would use tupperware. Tupperware changes size over time. It also gets VERY brittle in cold and I've broken several just by having settling occur in my trunk. 100' of paracord seems like alot. I think a lot of us carry 100s (and other lengths). When rigging, using bear bags, clothelines and using it for a number of other tasks, it runs out quickly. I tend to carry more meds - 20 pain meds are tiny and useful. like what? I think this is the weakest part of my prep. I also wonder how the temp swings in cars acts on meds. I can have the temp in my trunk go from near 40s to 90 F in the same day. In the summer, it might go well above 120 F.
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#165000 - 01/26/09 12:10 AM
Re: My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics)
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Need to remember to pack a honey packet to feed the ants. For amusement when you're surviving, I mean. Amusement? Do a Scott Grady and eat the little SOB's. Get your protein AND flavor in one easy nibble!
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#165101 - 01/26/09 06:53 PM
Re: My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics)
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Need to remember to pack a honey packet to feed the ants. For amusement when you're surviving, I mean. Amusement? Do a Scott Grady and eat the little SOB's. Get your protein AND flavor in one easy nibble! Funny no matter how you look at it! Anyway, just finished a weekend camping with the scouts. We were in a cabin, but spent the whole day on Saturday out and about in the cold. The scouts were being challenged by tests of their various skills. The last being starting a fire. The night prior, I gave a demo of fire starting using various tinders and lighting sources. They really liked the Spark-Lite!!! I tried using it with Wet Fire tinder, but didn't have any success. This was a piece I took right from the packaging. It wasn't even in my kit. Anyone else have issues with it? It seemed very chalk like. I also decided that I was going to remove my magnesium block from my kit and allocate that space to something else. Seemed too much effort to scrape a pile of shavings. Oddly enough, I had used the block before and didn't have as much difficulity with it. I really wonder if age has more of an effect on those blocks than you would think. They were told to gather the necessary components for a fire along their hike. I ran the fire starting and gave them a cotton ball and a BSA Hot Spark. Of course, I had to make sure that I could do this to. So, when they were doing their other checkpoints, I gathered up my supplies and got my fire going within minutes. You can't believe how much complaining I got from them asking to use matches. I looked at them and said that they had no problem getting the cotton ball to light. The problem they were having was getting their tinder/kindling laid out right for a sustained fire. After it was all over, we had a "debriefing" in the cabin and I explained what went wrong. We went back out an hour later and had them collect their tinder and kindling again. This time, every team got their fire going with one cotton ball. Many scouts liked the components of Doug's PSP and I think a few of them were going to invest in one. They liked how loud the whistle was!
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#165103 - 01/26/09 07:07 PM
Re: My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics)
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Need to remember to pack a honey packet to feed the ants. For amusement when you're surviving, I mean. Amusement? Do a Scott Grady and eat the little SOB's. Get your protein AND flavor in one easy nibble! Funny no matter how you look at it! Anyway, just finished a weekend camping with the scouts. We were in a cabin, but spent the whole day on Saturday out and about in the cold. The scouts were being challenged by tests of their various skills. The last being starting a fire. The night prior, I gave a demo of fire starting using various tinders and lighting sources. They really liked the Spark-Lite!!! I tried using it with Wet Fire tinder, but didn't have any success. This was a piece I took right from the packaging. It wasn't even in my kit. Anyone else have issues with it? It seemed very chalk like. I also decided that I was going to remove my magnesium block from my kit and allocate that space to something else. Seemed too much effort to scrape a pile of shavings. Oddly enough, I had used the block before and didn't have as much difficulity with it. I really wonder if age has more of an effect on those blocks than you would think. They were told to gather the necessary components for a fire along their hike. I ran the fire starting and gave them a cotton ball and a BSA Hot Spark. Of course, I had to make sure that I could do this to. So, when they were doing their other checkpoints, I gathered up my supplies and got my fire going within minutes. You can't believe how much complaining I got from them asking to use matches. I looked at them and said that they had no problem getting the cotton ball to light. The problem they were having was getting their tinder/kindling laid out right for a sustained fire. After it was all over, we had a "debriefing" in the cabin and I explained what went wrong. We went back out an hour later and had them collect their tinder and kindling again. This time, every team got their fire going with one cotton ball. Many scouts liked the components of Doug's PSP and I think a few of them were going to invest in one. They liked how loud the whistle was! Wet Fire Tender: Chalk it up into powder&shavings then hit it with the sparklite. Mg Block: Don't toss it. It is the one thing I have gotten to work without question anywhere/anytime/any conditions. Instead of shaving with a blade, first file with your multi-tool file for powder. Then get some shavings with a blade. Make a dime to quarter size pile and spark it up. If it fails, you are going to die anyway because there is no oxygen in you environment. Good Luck
Edited by Desperado (01/26/09 07:09 PM)
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#165104 - 01/26/09 07:10 PM
Re: My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics)
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Wet Fire Tender: Chalk it up into powder&shavings then hit it with the sparklite.
Mg Block: Don't toss it. It is the one thing I have gotten to work without question anywhere/anytime/any conditions. Instead of shaving with a blade file with your multi-tool file for powder. Then get some shavings with a blade. Make a dime to quarter size pile and spark it up. If it fails, you are going to die anyway because there is no oxygen in you environment.
Good Luck
I did that with the Wet Fire without much success. I will experiment at home in a more controlled environment. I had used that block in the past without problem. I was shaving it and filing it, but didn't seem to catch as well as it used too. Probably needed more patience with it as I was rushing a bit when demoing to the scouts. I'm a big fan of the Spark-Lite tho. Both the tinder and the sparker!
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#165108 - 01/26/09 07:14 PM
Re: My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics)
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Wet Fire Tender: Chalk it up into powder&shavings then hit it with the sparklite.
Mg Block: Don't toss it. It is the one thing I have gotten to work without question anywhere/anytime/any conditions. Instead of shaving with a blade file with your multi-tool file for powder. Then get some shavings with a blade. Make a dime to quarter size pile and spark it up. If it fails, you are going to die anyway because there is no oxygen in you environment.
Good Luck
I've never been able to get the Mg block to be useful. THe shavings always flare for a split second and die away, having ignited nothing in the vicinity, except the hair on the back of my hands. Am I doing something wrong? Personally, I'd rather take the same weight in matches or lighters, since I'm more comfortable with those.
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#165133 - 01/26/09 09:50 PM
Re: My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics)
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I've never been able to get the Mg block to be useful. THe shavings always flare for a split second and die away, having ignited nothing in the vicinity, except the hair on the back of my hands. Am I doing something wrong? Personally, I'd rather take the same weight in matches or lighters, since I'm more comfortable with those.
I have gone through 3 of those blocks, working on the 4th. I wore out the sparker long before I used up much of the magnesium block. I suspect they intend you to make a big pile of shavings if you need to use the magnesium. You still need something decent for the magnesium to light on fire when it starts to burn. Sparkers are something to use of you lose your lighters or matches. After the sparkers you end up looking at banging rocks together or rubbing sticks together, and good luck with that in the rain.
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#165144 - 01/26/09 11:25 PM
Re: My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics)
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What are you putting the shavings into?
I'll spend several minutes with mine, getting it into the finest tinder I can. It is usually stuff that the spark alone would work with if it was perfectly dry, and the magnesium gets the temp up so you can puff it into flames. *shrugs* I've had good luck with mine, but I'm not using it to light a sheet of birch bark. Instead, I'll sliver the birch bark, then put then under and around somethign like part of a fluffed cat tail head, and add the shavings into that nest. Then the sparks. If I had pistol cartridge around, I'd use the powder the same way. Neither powder nor magnesium shavings is really tinder to me, but it is better than a match. I find that putting magnesium into 0000 steel wool, even when it is wet and a little rusty, works really, really well.
As for the weight, magnesium is almost as light as aluminum. Not sure the equivelent weight is all that much, but the equivelent volume might be a good substitution if you have some difficulty with these.
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#165201 - 01/27/09 02:54 AM
Re: My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics)
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Howdy Folks! My 1st time out here,But I've been a Spider for many moons & Finally Registered/Donated$$ to the site.With that outa' the way now,Regarding the Mg blocks not functioning as they should,I Also have had some difficulties,until I ran into a site on ebay.This fellow is located in the Industrial section-Metal Alloys.He sell's 1lb bags of Pure Mg.Shavings & 25 cotton balls with his own secret recipe of metallic powder,infused thereof. Aprox.$15.00 shipped to the 48 This stuff is THE BEST,& Light as a Feather! I pack this in many tiny zip-locks & dispurse them throughout my gear components,so that I may Never be without this Excellent Source. Just go to ebay & Type in Magnesium in the search box,His Handle is mykobi57 .These cotton balls will light with a few sparks from an empty Bic lighter,& you add a small pinch of Mg. shavings on top,& you can burn wet tinder,If you have to!I Hope this Helps everyone as,much as,It Helped me! RoverOver
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#165286 - 01/27/09 04:31 PM
Re: My Survival Gear for my Day Pack (a few pics)
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Maybe I'll keep in in the kit for a bit longer... It is more of a backup piece than a first line of defence, so to speak.
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