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#162298 - 01/10/09 05:01 PM Re: Bugout vehicles? [Re: 2005RedTJ]
scafool Offline
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Originally Posted By: 2005RedTJ
Originally Posted By: scafool
Can somebody explain why they always put the winches on the front bumpers instead of the rear bumpers?
Is it just to keep them out of the way of the trailer hitch?


Several of my friends have a winch on both ends of the vehicle. They make a mount that can be moved from the front to the rear that goes in the receiver hitch, also.


Thank you.
I have seen a couple of fairlead systems intended to pass the winch cable under the vehicle to the rear too, but I suspect that would be hard to do if you were mired in the muskeg
I never used bumper winches much.
I tended to just throw a small Tirfor and a cable into the back of the truck instead.

EDIT
I just realized you might not know what a Tirfor is so I went to find a picture of one on the internet.
http://www.nobles.com.au/overview.asp~area=2&cid=27&parent_id=154&product_id=155.html
They are often used by ironworkers for pulling steel columns and beams into alignment.


I still think putting jeep winches on the front bumper is just to get it out of the way.


Edited by scafool (01/10/09 05:21 PM)
Edit Reason: added material
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#162299 - 01/10/09 05:06 PM Re: Bugout vehicles? [Re: ]
oldsoldier Offline
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The idea of a winch on the front, at least on a jeep, is to self-extricate. And, at least on jeeps, there is a nice little mounting area right on top of the front bumper. In the rear, it may get in the way of the tailgate. Also, you gotta run it from the battery (or a separate battery): easier to only run a little wire, through the front grill, into the engine compartment, instead of through the whole damned vehicle.
Other than that, I've never really given it a second thought.
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#162305 - 01/10/09 05:31 PM Re: Bugout vehicles? [Re: scafool]
2005RedTJ Offline
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That Tirfor appears to be what we call a "come-a-long". If I'm in a real bind, I can also use the Hi-Lift jack and the chain as a come-a-long. One trick I've used before I had the winch and was buried to the frame was to jack up each corner one at a time and throw rocks in the holes the tires had dug. Then we basically made a trail of rocks to drive on once we got it up out of the mud.

Sometimes it's a simple as just jacking the vehicle up one end at a time and pushing it over a couple of feet. I try to avoid mud as much as possible, unlike when I first got the Jeep. I used to romp through the biggest mudholes just to see if it would make it through. Replacing wheel bearing and universal joints all the time got old though. It'll still walk right through the worst mudholes with ease, I just prefer to go around them whenever I can. Spending $20 at the carwash getting all the mud off every time got old too.

And, for every one time my winch has been used to extricate me, it's been used at least 20 times to extricate someone else, lol.


Edited by 2005RedTJ (01/10/09 05:32 PM)

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#162308 - 01/10/09 05:43 PM Re: Bugout vehicles? [Re: 2005RedTJ]
scafool Offline
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Yes, a come along.
That is the common name.
But people like to call those little ones that roll a cable or rope up on a drum like a boat trailer winch come alongs too.
Tirfors are much, much stronger.

Old Soldier's point about the front mount winch being cheaper to wire up makes sense to me too.

By the way, nice looking jeep.

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#162311 - 01/10/09 05:58 PM Re: Bugout vehicles? [Re: 2005RedTJ]
scafool Offline
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One of our old tricks for getting unstuck if we had no winch or tow vehicle was to rig a logging chain or cable to a tree a good distance away and pull it up as tight as you could by hand.
Then go to the center of the cable and pull it sideways.
You can get a really impressive mechanical advantage that way.
You might pull the cable 8 feet sideways and move the vehicle less than a foot, but you can pull it really hard for that foot it travels.

Be careful though, bumpers can come off and frames can be twisted.
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#162315 - 01/10/09 06:34 PM Re: Bugout vehicles? [Re: scafool]
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Yeah, one of the first things I did when I bought the Jeep was install some 10,000 pound rated recovery hooks on the front bumper. I also have a D-ring mount that goes in the rear receiver hitch. The Jeep looks nice when it's clean (which is rarely) from a distance, up close it has a lot of dents and scratches on it. That's why I cut off the front fenders, they looked like wadded up aluminum foil, lol. And the 1/4" steel rocker guards I installed after the first picture was taken cover up where the bottom of the tub is crushed in under the door.

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#162320 - 01/10/09 06:47 PM Re: Bugout vehicles? [Re: 2005RedTJ]
airballrad Offline
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I have a 2003 Ford Ranger 4x4 with a GHB, CB radio, GPS, and some basic tools that I consider my BOV. It does well offroad and in the snow, but has stock tires and no winch. I have chains, straps, and a D-shackle for the hitch receiver, but nothing more comprehensive than that.



Honestly though, if bugging out it will be with my wife and two kids in car seats. So the mostly likely BOV is a 2006 Chrysler minivan that is FWD and has a 400-mile range on a tank of gas. blush



Edited by airballrad (01/10/09 06:48 PM)

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#162359 - 01/10/09 11:15 PM Re: Bugout vehicles? [Re: scafool]
Nishnabotna Offline
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Originally Posted By: scafool
Yes, a come along.
That is the common name.

Your grand dad would have called it a coffin hoist.

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#162368 - 01/11/09 01:49 AM Re: Bugout vehicles? [Re: Nishnabotna]
scafool Offline
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Originally Posted By: Nishnabotna
Your grand dad would have called it a coffin hoist.


Odd, I remember him as having a more colorful vocabulary than that.
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#162391 - 01/11/09 01:00 PM Re: Bugout vehicles? [Re: scafool]
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