#161210 - 01/04/09 02:53 AM
blood type on ID's
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Has anyone had any experince that suggests that blood type is useful ID data?
Military ID's apparently include blood type, and some civilians talk about it, too. IME, no er docs will order blood based on history. Must be different in the military. Most er's have access to low titer O negative blood, low risk stuff to transfuse really quickly-but a cross-matched unit is available in about thirty minutes from most blood banks. Cross-matching-actually mixing a bit of the recipients blood with the donor unit to see if they react, indicating incompatibility- is done because blood types are not as simple as A-B-AB-O and Rh- there are dozens of antigens that affect compatibility.
So why is blood type on ID tags?
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#161215 - 01/04/09 03:22 AM
Re: blood type on ID's
[Re: nursemike]
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When I was a firefighter / 1st responder, it was drilled into us to never take a military ID tag with blood type as fact. The reason for this that many times a patient could possibly be wearing her/his extended family, friends old military tags etc. With an unconscious patient who has no ID on their person, we would not be able to guarantee that this was their name on the tag and their blood type. Even if the patient was conscious, we were not to take their blood type as fact. Also it very surpising how many people do not know their own blood type. Typical response was " I think...."
This same topic was also discussed at one of our training sessions when we had an ER nurse come in for some training. Her response was to the effect: "No civilian nurse or DR. should never take the risk that the tags are correct and should instead order blood work.
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#161219 - 01/04/09 03:53 AM
Re: blood type on ID's
[Re: nursemike]
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Registered: 11/01/08
Posts: 1530
Loc: DFW, Texas
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After my short walk thru Panama, the medic that treated me said he was (expletive) shocked that my blood type was correct on my dog tags. Evidently there had been some he had seen that were way wrong. Having said that, I have a card and tag for each member of the family that is on their body at all times. Guess what, blood type is included.
For Gulf War 1 we wrote or blood type on our helmet bands.
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#161220 - 01/04/09 03:55 AM
Re: blood type on ID's
[Re: nursemike]
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 09/15/05
Posts: 2485
Loc: California
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I think you might find this article interesting. Blood type discrepancies on military identification cards and tags This article mentions a 1981 study which found that 10% of the blood types listed on the ID cards or dog tags of two US Army combat units in Europe had the wrong blood type listed. That's a frightening statistic.
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#161222 - 01/04/09 03:59 AM
Re: blood type on ID's
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 12/18/08
Posts: 1534
Loc: Muskoka
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I have the wet red type of blood, if that helps.
Seriously though, I have been injured badly enough at least twice that they had to give me blood. I do not remember any emergency personel ever asking me what my blood type was. Not at the scene, not in the ambulance, and not at the hospital.
(One of the times they did repeatedly ask me my name, who the Prime Minister was and what year it was. It was very annoying. How can you trust doctors who don't know simple stuff like that?)
I am not a medic, nor was I ever military, so I might have some of this wrong, but I do remember they used plasma one time. I think it was because with plasma they don't need to worry about blood type.
Edit: Repeating disclaimer; I am not a medic, nor was I ever military, so I might have some of this wrong
I wonder if they put the blood type on the tags in case they need donors in an emergency. I seem to remember hearing about field transfusion kits being supplied with no blood bags to medical corps years ago. They could not carry blood, it would rot, so they were expecting to use the two legged blood bags they had wandering around.
Edited by scafool (01/04/09 04:54 AM)
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#161237 - 01/04/09 07:04 AM
Re: blood type on ID's
[Re: nursemike]
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Cranky Geek
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Military ID is unique to the military. Like 90% of what happens in the service, it has little to no application in the real world.
Outside of the military, it makes you feel better. *shrugs* Magic feathers.
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#161242 - 01/04/09 12:02 PM
Re: blood type on ID's
[Re: ironraven]
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Journeyman
Registered: 06/01/05
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I am a medic in Iraq and people use the blood type tags to look cool. That's all it is, cool guy factor. You are not getting blood until you are typed. Period.
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