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#15972 - 05/15/03 02:57 PM Water treatment in PSKs - incorrect water bag size
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I've just noticed something about a lot of our PSKs that concerns me - the water bags included are not sized correctly for the kind of water treatment that is included.
For example, if you have repackaged some Potable Aqua and are planning to use a Gerber breast milk bag as your water container, you have a problem: Potable Aqua is formulated to work with one quart of water at a time, or 32 ounces. The Gerber bag holds 10 ounces at the most. You could use 1 Potable Aqua tablet, but that's still giving you way too much iodine for the amount of water you have.
If you're using Aquaclear or something similar, it calls for 1 tablet per liter (0.94 quarts, so they're roughly equal). If your water bag only holds 10-12 ounces, that is way more chlorine that you need.
I don't have any experience with Aquaclear tablets, but I know the Potable Aqua tablets are very small and would be almost impossible to divide without crumbling the whole thing to dust. I also don't know what health effects, if any, would result from using too high a concentration of water purification, but I'm sure that's a complication you don't need if you're already in a survival situation.

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#15973 - 05/15/03 06:35 PM Re: Water treatment in PSKs - incorrect water bag
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Yeah - I've been thinking about the same thing. For my larger kits, no problem: I've included a Camelback bag, roasting bags for backup, and so on.

In my PSK, I ended up wrapping everything in a 1-quart ziploc bag, which besides keeping my "modules" further protected and together, provides a mixer bag for the water purification. I have two Gerber bags in the kit that seem like they'd be sturdier and easier to carry in pockets, and which I'd fill from the ziploc bag.

Barring that, I figured I'd cut or chop up a tablet and eyeball a pinch equivalent to 1/3 of the tablet and dump it into the Gerber bag with untreated water. Even half a tablet in each of the two Gerber bags is probably fine. Might not taste great, but wouldn't hurt anyone.

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#15974 - 05/16/03 03:02 PM Re: Water treatment in PSKs - incorrect water bag size
Chris Kavanaugh Offline
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Options; prepare the tabs by carefull division before packing. You can scribe a tablet carefully with a small blade to form a fracture line. a messier alternative would be to prepowder the whole supply and carry a tiny measuring device. Another alternative is to carry a larger bag on your person, such as a ziplock in one quart size.

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#15975 - 05/16/03 03:10 PM Re: Water treatment in PSKs - incorrect water bag size
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And there's the goldfish bag solution. Plastic bags of sturdy millage that are about a quart but fold up really small. (About as small as a roasting bag.)

I have a case of a thousand, and will still send ten to anyone for the price of a SASE. Email me for the mailing address.

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#15976 - 05/16/03 03:28 PM Re: Water treatment in PSKs - incorrect water bag
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Your response highlights my main concern - I noticed this problem in some of the commercial kits, including some of those reviewed on ETS. You and I have thought this problem through, but what about the people who just buy the kit and figure they're set? It may not kill them to overdose on iodine or chlorine, but ... if you're using the kit, you're usually not in a good situation to begin with. I hope the kit makers will think this issue through a little better before just tossing any old size of plastic bag in and figuring that they're done.

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#15977 - 05/16/03 05:11 PM Re: Water treatment in PSKs - incorrect water bag
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Registered: 04/08/02
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i use 2 1L zip-loc bags in mine PSK, in mine opinion the best solution.
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#15978 - 05/16/03 09:01 PM Re: Water treatment in PSKs - incorrect water bag size
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From a practical perspective for short term use it just isn't an issue. I have spoken with all the manufacturers and a number of independent authorities and all have said don't worry about it. Obviously, taste may be an issue for some, but there are no negative health concerns for short term use. Use those levels for a month or two and you might possible have some issues, maybe. Need to find something else to fret about. <img src="images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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#15979 - 05/17/03 06:09 AM Re: Water treatment in PSKs - incorrect water bag size
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Doug,

Have you checked with any medical doctors about this? It seems to me that same chlorine or iodine that will kill bacteria and microorganisms in the water will do the same thing in your digestive tract. I would think that this could lead to stomach cramps, gas, or diarrhea. Speaking of which, is everyone packing Pepto Bismol and Immodium in their first aid kits and T.P. in their survival kits?

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#15980 - 05/17/03 01:42 PM Re: Water treatment in PSKs - incorrect water bag size
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Some of the specialists I have discussed this with are docs as well as being specialists in water treatment. Your assumption is not correct. Chlorine and chlorinated compounds are the most widely used disinfectant in municipal water systems the world over. Iodine based water disinfection has been used globally for water disinfection for decades. There is tons of information on this topic on the Web or at your local library and most of the authoritative wilderness medical texts also cover the subject.
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#15981 - 05/17/03 06:21 PM Re: Water treatment in PSKs - incorrect water bag size
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Doug,

I agree with you about chlorine and iodine being used to disinfect water, but surely there are concentrations beyond which the water becomes unsafe to drink.

Potable Aqua, for example, has a dosage of 2 tablets per quart of water, or 1 tablet per pint (sandwich bag amount). If you were to try to disinfect half a pint with a single tablet, you would have twice the required concentration of iodine. Is there not a point at which the concentration becomes toxic, or affects your digestive system as I described earlier?

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