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#158792 - 12/17/08 07:33 PM Some new survival stories...
snoman Offline
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Registered: 09/22/02
Posts: 181
...in next month's American Hunter magazine. Interesting stories, though I have to say something about the first one. A pilot takes two friends up on a "crystal-clear day with winds less than 5 knots". Flying over Lake Powell, in Utah, they "decided to fly closer to the water, under the canyon walls, which is a fabulous sightseeing experience." The water had a slight ripple, which gave him (the pilot) his depth perception. But then the water smoothed out, he loses his depth perception, and flies into the water. All three are unhurt and bail out of the sinking bird, a Cirrus SR22. They start for shore (the author said it was about 3/4s of a mile in water later found to be 44 degrees), and one of them a non-swimmer. Then my favorite line: "Thank goodness the water was calm. What irony - the thing that caused the crash was now actually working in our favor." Smooth water caused the crash?? (Hmmm, if 'the water' is that dangerous, maybe that lake should be drained.). They all make it to shore and spend an uncomfortable night out.
All in all, I'm thinking:
1) Flying too close to the water to begin with.
2) No PFDs or flotation of any kind.
3) No survival gear.
4) No PLB.
And 5) IMHO, being old enough to know better.
Lucking, they all "lived to see another day."

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#158793 - 12/17/08 07:35 PM Re: Some new survival stories... [Re: snoman]
OldBaldGuy Offline
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Registered: 09/30/01
Posts: 5695
Loc: Former AFB in CA, recouping fr...
10-4 on #1!!!
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#158798 - 12/17/08 07:56 PM Re: Some new survival stories... [Re: snoman]
Desperado Offline
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Registered: 11/01/08
Posts: 1530
Loc: DFW, Texas
Proof that there is one world record that cannot be beaten, only equaled: World Low Flying Record.
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#158801 - 12/17/08 08:12 PM Re: Some new survival stories... [Re: Desperado]
unimogbert Offline
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Registered: 08/10/06
Posts: 882
Loc: Colorado
There are no new causes of aviation accidents.

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#158808 - 12/17/08 09:01 PM Re: Some new survival stories... [Re: unimogbert]
Susan Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
Another dummy to watch for in future Darwin Awards. And his friends aren't any smarter.

"Did you file a flight plan?"
No. I don't believe in flight plans, and there's no law that says we have to file one

"Is your altimeter working?"
Altimeter? Is that the thing that looks like a clock?

"Do you have flotation devices?"
I think the kids were using them in the swimming pool.

"Is there a survival kit attached to a floation device?"
Oh, we won't need anything like THAT!

"Is there a PLB on board?"
What's that?

"Is there any beer?"
Oh, yeah, enough for a week.

"Then I guess we're ready to go!

Dumb as stumps. But lucky stumps.

Sue

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#158810 - 12/17/08 09:13 PM Re: Some new survival stories... [Re: Susan]
OldBaldGuy Offline
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followed shortly thereafter by "y'all watch this"...
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#158827 - 12/17/08 11:38 PM Re: Some new survival stories... [Re: Susan]
snoman Offline
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Registered: 09/22/02
Posts: 181
The man in question is not a stupid man. He's president of a business many in here would recognize. I suppose he either didn't think it was necessary or didn't think about it at all. I'm not going to berate him, I've certainly done a dumb thing or two in my life, but he did make a series of poor decisions which added up to a cold (and expensive) swim (and night out) that could have cost a few people their lives.
Interestingly, the author of the article, under the heading "Lessons Learned" had the sentence "Oh, for a survival kit when you need one. Of course even if they had one, it's entirely possible the men would not have salvaged it in time: planes are made to fly, not float."
Again, I'm thinking: Small plane + over water = survival VEST - worn on your body - at all times. It will leave the aircraft at the same time you do. Maybe ask your passengers to wear one too.
Floatplane rating, anyone??

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#158836 - 12/18/08 12:17 AM Re: Some new survival stories... [Re: snoman]
Chris Kavanaugh Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 02/09/01
Posts: 3824
Lake Fowell is a man made edifice to further our follies.

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#158881 - 12/18/08 08:36 AM Re: Some new survival stories... [Re: Chris Kavanaugh]
bigreddog Offline
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Registered: 07/02/06
Posts: 253
Survival truth no.1: It is better to be lucky than good.

(I think most here are shooting for both though :-) )

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#158932 - 12/18/08 06:03 PM Re: Some new survival stories... [Re: snoman]
Susan Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
"The man in question is not a stupid man. He's president of a business many in here would recognize."

That doesn't mean diddly squat. Intelligence and common sense are two entirely different things. I have a friend who is well into the genius level, and she has no common sense whatsoever.

All it means is that the increase in his insurance premium probably won't bother him very much. Money does not replace sense. He was lucky that two of the three knew how to swim. What was the fool's plan if two of them hadn't been able to swim?

Sue

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