Hello,
Does anybody know any survival club or society in the UK?
Regards,

Hi
I can;t think of anything that would fit that kind of title. I would think most people interested in outdoor activities in the UK would see themselves as walkers, climbers etc and not interested in Survival per se. So there are organisations which represent and provide training etc for the relevant activities. Locally there are likely to be walking clubs, climbing clubs etc. I guess there's also Outward Bound which provides activity based holidays, team building etc.
There are a number of compaines which run survival type courses and there's even a bushcraft weekend in the Autumn which brings together a number of these compaines.


There'a also exploration or adventure travel clubs, such as the Royal Geogrpahical Society but I don't know much about them.
Justin

try a web search, i'm sure that you'll come up with something

Enough said.

I have noticed much more of a presence from GB here now, compared to when I was more active on this forum in the past. Now one has to make conscious note of where someone is posting from, as conditions (and laws) are much different, and purchasing seems to be hindered either way.

Twice in the past I’ve tried to initiate (off-line) conversations with folks from GB to explore differing attitudes toward weaponry, mostly to educate myself on the basis attitudes there, but also, to some degree, to try to correct some “wild west” misimpressions I detected about the conditions in the US. Neither conversation got very far… I think it’s a fascinating area for exploration, the attitudes that have evolved since our histories diverged (not long ago, in the grand scheme of things), but it’s difficult to find people capable of discussing it dispassionately from any viewpoint.

Just go to Bisley for the historical shooting matches sometimes. Watching a MK4 Webley target revolver owner put 6 rounds of 286 grain roundnose bullets with a MV of 600fps int othe black will start conversations. <img src="images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

You certainly are right when you say few can discuss it dispassionately. And you clearly understand that there is a lot of ground between being completely disarmed/totally dependent on the government for protection and the "wild west" where people are killed for looking at someone the wrong way.

For me, its about checks and balances on power. One is hard-pressed to find a politician in this country who won't say that we should have the strongest military on the planet so that we can protect ourselves. Ask the same politicians about our second amendment rights and, if you can get them to talk at all, you get comments like 'why do people need such powerful and destructive weapons?'

So the government is saying it wants all the power it can get while telling individuals the same philosophy doesn't make sense and is destructive. And I have a problem with hypocrisy, or just assuming that the government will always look out for my best interests in every case.

To me, that's what its really about, whether your talking about weapons... or healthcare... or tax dollars... or "protecting" me from terrorists on an aircraft. Do you want to have absolute faith that "big brother" will protect you, or should you have some control over your own life? The answer is not as obvious as it appears, a large number of folks believe that bureacrats in Washington are more worthy of trust than their own neighbors. That's why it is so emotionally charged, that very idea is offensive to me.

I have fired- I think it was the Mark V, and not a target version. I had the distinct impression that I could see the bullet going downrange, but it seemed more than likely that whatever it hit was going down. :-)

That's certainly not impossible at 600 fps... I remember one time I was out with my dad shooting .45 military ammo. I was standing off a bit to the side and the sun was low on the horizon. I could see that golden streak going downrange every time he fired.

Never seen it from behind the weapon though, there's usually too much smoke and flame obscuring that perspective! <img src="images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

We are unlikely to learn much from conversation with each other, we appear to be too close to total agreement. :-)

Personally, I would be a gun owner even if I was not a shooter. I conceive it to be an ethical obligation to exercise the right, much as many people regard voting. That's completely aside from issues of possible necessity.

>>a large number of folks believe that bureacrats in Washington are more worthy of trust than their own neighbors<<

Or, more distressingly, more worthy of trust than they judge themselves to be.

I've had people (who think nothing of guiding two tons of steel machinery through crowded streets) ask me seriously if I didn't fear that sudden insanity would overtake me and firearms would provide the means for mayhem, or perhaps just the ownership of firearms themselves (with the presumed evil demons that the media seems to believe that they contain) would tempt me to start randomly shooting people.

But, the subject under consideration isn't our feelings on the subject, but rather the fact that they don't seem to be shared by most of our cousins across the water with whom we share so much common history, and so many other cultural elements.