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#152007 - 10/15/08 04:26 PM Re: No fire extinguisher in your home? Buy one. [Re: GameOver]
Lono Offline
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Originally Posted By: GameOver
Originally Posted By: Alan_Romania

Remember fire extinguishers should be replaced (if they are not the serviceable kind) before they expire. Serviceable extinguishes need to be checked by a certified servicing company annually. All extinguished should be checked about monthly.



Does anyone have experience disposing of the non-serviceable kind? I keep meaning to call the local waste removal folks to find out, given that it is a pressurized canister.


Ask at your local fire station, ours takes the non-serviceable kind and puts them to work doing PASS demonstrations. Not sure what they do with them afterwards, but they accept them.

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#152099 - 10/16/08 01:46 PM Re: No fire extinguisher in your home? Buy one. [Re: Lono]
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a couple of years ago (gad it's that long already?) a friend in the fire protection business looked at me and said "want some fire extinguishers?" It seems at one of his sites, someone had magic markered on 3 units, and because of this, they either needed a repaint, or replace to pass in a commercial building - so I got 3 nice 20 lb units - one of which I gave away

Lets see - 1 5lb in the kitchen, a 20lb upstairs - hall closet next to steps, one 1st floor, next to fireplace, but closer to the door, 2 units down the basement (a dry powder and a CO2), and a pair in the garage - I guess I'm well covered - or at least better than MOST, although not quite as crazy as my friend upstate - he had a hydrant put in, and had a pumper (used) in the garage - of course he had been the local chief, and he and his son had more than a clue how to use the gear
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#152152 - 10/16/08 08:41 PM Re: No fire extinguisher in your home? Buy one. [Re: Alan_Romania]
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How do fire extinguishers compare to other tools, eg a fire blanket or a bucket of sand?
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#152155 - 10/16/08 09:01 PM Re: No fire extinguisher in your home? Buy one. [Re: Brangdon]
Alan_Romania Offline

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It is going to depend on your application. All in all, the appropriate size and type of extinguisher are better for most applications then either a sand bucket or fire blanket.

Now, if you are working with metals in your garage a bucket of sand would be a GREAT idea to have around.
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#152190 - 10/17/08 02:10 PM Re: No fire extinguisher in your home? Buy one. [Re: Alan_Romania]
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Registered: 03/24/06
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Loc: NW NJ
The best thing for an incipent grease fire contained in a pot or frying pan is to just put a lid on it.

I saw one of those new aerosol can extinguishers on sale at the hardware store so I bought it. I showed it to my wife and told her I figured it would be more intuitive for her to use that the dry chem in case of a grease fire. She replied "Why do you think I keep a throw rug in front of the stove?" Smart lady.

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#152192 - 10/17/08 02:39 PM Re: No fire extinguisher in your home? Buy one. [Re: thseng]
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Originally Posted By: thseng
The best thing for an incipent grease fire contained in a pot or frying pan is to just put a lid on it.

I saw one of those new aerosol can extinguishers on sale at the hardware store so I bought it. I showed it to my wife and told her I figured it would be more intuitive for her to use that the dry chem in case of a grease fire. She replied "Why do you think I keep a throw rug in front of the stove?" Smart lady.



Not sute what you exsacly mean with a aerosol can extinguisher but if a pan full of oil is on fire, than either put the lid on, a fire blanket or use a special grease extinguisher. A aerosol can doe'sn't sound like any of them...

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#152197 - 10/17/08 03:06 PM Re: No fire extinguisher in your home? Buy one. [Re: Tjin]
thseng Offline
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#152201 - 10/17/08 03:33 PM Re: No fire extinguisher in your home? Buy one. [Re: thseng]
thseng Offline
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Replying to myself here... The MSDS I found shows a basic pH and Potassium Hydroxide as an ingredient.

This should be excellent for grease fires. H20+KOH+hot oil=Soap

I worked a summer internship for a fire protection company doing R&D and UL qualifications of wet chemical systems for commercial kitchens. Unlike dry chem, the aqueous solution helps cool the oil by evaporation and forms a soap layer the floats on the surface of the oil.

Once, when the system under test failed, I manually put out a 36" wok filled to the brim with 600 degree flaming oil with a 2-1/2 gal "A" type extinguisher that was charged with this solution.

************ DO NOT USE PLAIN WATER ON A GREASE FIRE *****************
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#152206 - 10/17/08 04:04 PM Re: No fire extinguisher in your home? Buy one. [Re: thseng]
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Loc: California
I was randomly researching Tundra, too, and the MSDS I stumbled across listed potassium lactate as the main fire fighting ingredient but no mention of KOH. I thought potassium lactate sounded familiar...looked it up and it is also a common food preservative. Well, anyone who is wondering if it's toxic--they've probably been eating it for a long time already.

Anyway, apparently Tundra is not approved for sale in California, so I guess that I won't be seeing it sold in stores here.

One interesting thing about Tundra is that the solution is kept in a sealed bag inside the can, separate from the propellant. When you press the nozzle down, I guess the tube punctures the bag and pressurizes the solution. I don't believe that the small Fireade2000 extinguisher I just got uses that system.

I would be nervous as heck standing in front of a restaurant-size wok full of flaming oil no matter what kind of extinguisher I had in my hands!

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#152207 - 10/17/08 04:14 PM Re: No fire extinguisher in your home? Buy one. [Re: Arney]
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Originally Posted By: Arney
I would be nervous as heck standing in front of a restaurant-size wok full of flaming oil no matter what kind of extinguisher I had in my hands!

Target Fixation.

I had bunker gear but I forgot to put on gloves and singed the hair off my knuckles. On the video you could hear the other guys yelling "BACK UP!" but I didn't hear them.
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