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| #151398 - 10/09/08 02:21 PM  Re: Well, now we're into a new territory.
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|   Pooh-Bah
 
 Registered:  09/15/05
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I'm still waiting to hear that China has suddenly imploded, their demand for our goods is dropping like a stone, their factories that make all of our stuff cheaply are closing up in droves, they're selling their dollar reserves, and will stop buying our new debt from now on. Now that would be earth-shaking. |  
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| #151399 - 10/09/08 02:27 PM  Re: Well, now we're into a new territory.
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|   Enthusiast
 
 Registered:  07/02/08
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 Loc:  Ohio
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Yep, China can take us down without firing a shot. |  
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| #151404 - 10/09/08 03:24 PM  Re: Well, now we're into a new territory.
[Re: Arney] |  
|   Enthusiast
 
   Registered:  07/01/08
 Posts: 250
 Loc:  Houston, Texas
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I'm still waiting to hear that China has suddenly imploded, their demand for our goods is dropping like a stone, their factories that make all of our stuff cheaply are closing up in droves, they're selling their dollar reserves, and will stop buying our new debt from now on. Now that would be earth-shaking.Actually, I was talking to my assistant in Ningbo last night, and China is sufferring a similar panic to what we are seeing here.  She said real estate is losing value, stock market is bad, its the same story as here just refried a bit. The Chinese are starting to settle in eastern Russia, too.  I guess they'll claim squatters rights and nationalize it.  Russia's a bit too chaotic to start a war with China.
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| #151443 - 10/09/08 06:46 PM  Re: Well, now we're into a new territory.
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|   Geezer
 
 Registered:  01/21/04
 Posts: 5163
 Loc:  W. WA
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Ups and downs of the Stock Market:
 Aug 24, 1921 =   64
 Sept 3, 1929 =  381
 Nov 11, 1929 =   228 (-40%)
 
 From August 1982 to August 1987, Dow Jones went from 776 to 2722.
 Oct. 14 to 19, 1987 = Dow Jones dropped 760 (31%)
 
 Dow Jones history (edited)
 Jan 2, 1900        68
 Jan 2, 1910        81
 Jan 2, 1920       109
 Jan 2, 1930       244
 Jul 8, 1932      41
 Jan 2, 1940       151
 Jan 2, 1951       240
 (none shown for 1950)
 Jan 2, 1960       616
 Jan 2, 1970       809
 Jan 2, 1980       825
 Jan 8, 1987  2,002
 Oct 19, 1987 1,738
 Jan 2, 1990     2,810
 Jan 14, 2000   11,723
 
 Jan 2, 2001   10,646
 Jan 2, 2002   10,073
 Jan 2, 2003    8,607
 Jan 2, 2004   10,410
 Apr 12, 2005  10,508
 Jan 6, 2006   10,959
 Jan 5, 2007   12,398
 Jan 4, 2008   12,800
 [http://www.nyse.tv/dow-jones-industrial-average-history-djia.htm]
 
 Today (Oct 9)  9,144
 
 The stock market is really just an indicator of faith.
 
 What goes up, comes down.
 
 This is an election year. 2003 wasn't. Stocks dropped about 15%. Did anyone notice?  Was it the topic of every discussion in America?
 
 A good friend of mine said "Follow the money. Always follow the money."
 
 Who is profiting from this situation right now?
 
 Sue
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| #151465 - 10/09/08 08:10 PM  Re: Well, now we're into a new territory.
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|   Enthusiast
 
 Registered:  04/26/07
 Posts: 266
 Loc:  Ohio, USA
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I'm not sure anyone is profiting right now in any big way. The problem is that huge profits have been pulled out of the mortgage lending industry over the last 7 years or so which were not based on real value. These commissions and fees going to the lending industry, and they were in the billions, were "funded" by inflated property appraisals and overly optimistic forecasts of the borrowers' ability to pay or refinance. Add in a sophisticated scam that dumped lousy mortgages into the bond market (!) with more commissions changing hands at every stage, and you soon realize that this cash cow has been milked dry. 
 Edited by Frank2135 (10/09/08 08:10 PM)
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| #151485 - 10/09/08 10:54 PM  Re: Well, now we're into a new territory.
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|   Geezer
 
 Registered:  01/21/04
 Posts: 5163
 Loc:  W. WA
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All those outfits knew exactly what they were doing. And don't tell me some of them were making large amounts of money hand over fist. Sure, a lot of it got lost in the 'translation', but a lot of it is probably in the Cayman Island banks.
 Sue
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| #151489 - 10/09/08 11:34 PM  Re: Well, now we're into a new territory.
[Re: Since2003] |  
|   Veteran
 
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One of my favorite daily reads.  Some call Roubini "Mr. Doom," but so far he's been pretty accurate.    http://www.rgemonitor.com/roubini-monitorThe US and advanced economies’ financial system is now headed towards a near-term systemic financial meltdown as day after day stock markets are in free fall, money markets have shut down while their spreads are skyrocketing, and credit spreads are surging through the roof. There is now the beginning of a generalized run on the banking system of these economies; a collapse of the shadow banking system, i.e. those non-banks (broker dealers, non-bank mortgage lenders, SIV and conduits, hedge funds, money market funds, private equity firms) that, like banks, borrow short and liquid, are highly leveraged and lend and invest long and illiquid and are thus at risk of a run on their short-term liabilities; and now a roll-off of the short term liabilities of the corporate sectors that may lead to widespread bankruptcies of solvent but illiquid financial and non-financial firms.
 
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 At this point the recession train has left the station; the financial and banking crisis train has left the station. The delusion that the US and advanced economies contraction would be short and shallow – a V-shaped six month recession – has been replaced by the certainty that this will be a long and protracted U-shaped recession that may last at least two years in the US and close to two years in most of the rest of the world. And given the rising risk of a global systemic financial meltdown the probability that the outcome could become a decade long L-shaped recession – like the one experienced by Japan after the bursting of its real estate and equity bubble – cannot be ruled out.
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| #151512 - 10/10/08 03:09 PM  Re: Well, now we're into a new territory.
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|   I am not a P.P.o.W.
 Old Hand
 
 Registered:  05/16/05
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 Loc:  Finger Lakes of NY State
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I just got a 10% paycut today, and I'm in the title business.  Not a good time to have anything to do with real estate.  At least they're just giving the cut by giving us 2 days off a month unpaid instead of making us work the same # of days but just less hours. IMHO, Often, a paycut beats not having a job, especially in this job market.
_________________________Our most important survival tool is our brain, and for many, that tool is way underused! SBRaider
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| #151516 - 10/10/08 03:24 PM  Re: Well, now we're into a new territory.
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|   Old Hand
 
   Registered:  03/24/06
 Posts: 900
 Loc:  NW NJ
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This being the start of a worldwide economic collapse and all, I figure I need more friends because among my friends, family, co-workers and acquaintances, I'm not aware of ANYONE who has:
 Lost his job
 Had his pay cut
 Had a car repo'ed
 Been foreclosed on
 Lost his health insurance
 Closed his business
 Moved into a homeless shelter
 Began working for food
 
 So I'm having a little trouble working myself up to a proper level of panicked frenzy.  Plus I'm expecting an offer for a new job (w/ pay increase) any day now.
 
 Plus gas and heating oil prices are back down to where they were a year ago and still going down.
 
 Sorry.
 
 
 
_________________________- Tom S.
 
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| #151518 - 10/10/08 03:53 PM  Re: Well, now we're into a new territory.
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|   Icon of Sin
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 Registered:  12/31/07
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 Loc:  Nebraska
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This being the start of a worldwide economic collapse and all, I figure I need more friends because among my friends, family, co-workers and acquaintances, I'm not aware of ANYONE who has:
 
 Had his pay cut
 
 
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