#151217 - 10/07/08 11:07 PM
Re: Hiker dies in Sierra, probably from exposure
[Re: clearwater]
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Regardless of who left who, her hiking companions failed her; they should have stayed together.
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#151221 - 10/08/08 12:04 AM
Re: Hiker dies in Sierra, probably from exposure
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Sheriff
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Registered: 10/12/07
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Core temperature at the hospital was 73 degrees F.
Rescue was performed by 5 SAR members who carried her by hand, without litter, over a mountain 1/2 mile through 6" mud to get her to a site where a 4 wheel atv was waiting with a stokes litter. This after they jogged 5 miles to the search site. One member said it was the hardest thing he had ever done in his life!
Helicopters tried twice but were rebuffed by clouds and high wind. Wow. What an incredible rescue. Talk about unsung heroes.
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#151285 - 10/08/08 07:43 PM
Re: Hiker dies in Sierra, probably from exposure
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Registered: 01/21/04
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Loc: W. WA
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"...her hiking companions failed her; they should have stayed together."
EXACTLY! "Divide and conquer" not only applies to war and business, but to survival situations. If she was coherent when they separated, they could have all huddled together and kept each other warm. Or warmer. At least alive.
More gear than sense?
Sue
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#151316 - 10/08/08 11:08 PM
Re: Hiker dies in Sierra, probably from exposure
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The other three backpackers were suffering from mild hypothermia. The Male was dressed in blue jeans and other cotton, the two female survivors in synthetics.
The deceased woman's pack had a wet tent just stuffed in the top as if some attempt had been made to set it up, but was repacked hastily.
All hikers were reported new to the area and activity, had been on the trail several days and knew bad weather was expected. They did not know each other before the trip and apparently some were irritated at the others for not having the right gear.
Edited by clearwater (10/08/08 11:12 PM)
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#151331 - 10/09/08 12:12 AM
Re: Hiker dies in Sierra, probably from exposure
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Cranky Geek
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apparently some were irritated at the others for not having the right gear. That is interesting. Never going to get an honest answer out of the other three as to what happened, but to have been a fly on the wall in the hour or so leading up to the separation might have told us a lot.
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#151333 - 10/09/08 12:15 AM
Re: Hiker dies in Sierra, probably from exposure
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Cranky Geek
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I'm glad none of the guys HERE would do anything like that. Uhm... yeah... no, none of us were ever young and stupid... no.... At least when I was that dumb, I was out by myself so it was only my neck on the line.
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#151339 - 10/09/08 12:28 AM
Re: Hiker dies in Sierra, probably from exposure
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 08/03/07
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The deceased woman's pack had a wet tent just stuffed in the top as if some attempt had been made to set it up, but was repacked hastily. This is really sad. It sounds like this lady was already hypothermic and unable to even put up a tent due to loss of muscle coordination. It can sometimes be difficult to even pitch a tent in gusting winds and driving rain, but with hypothermia it would have been very difficult and almost impossible without assistance.
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#151364 - 10/09/08 03:23 AM
Re: Hiker dies in Sierra, probably from exposure
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Old Hand
Registered: 03/19/05
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Loc: Channeled Scablands
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One thing is the 3 hikers had only the lone hikers word over the cell phone that she was alright the night before when he weather was already bad. The three had called 911 and then they canceled the 911 call they had made after talking to her.
If Ms. Hall was already hypothermic, the other 3 had no way to judge.
Also Ms. Hall was not in her campsite but face down on the trail when located roughly 1/2 away and over a peak "tinkers knob" from the other three.
There was only 1 atv to evacuate them all, so they took turns riding out on the back to the ambulance. There was attempts made by 4wheel drive trucks to get to the crossing of the Pacific Crest Trail with the jeep trail, but the mud allowed only the little 4 wheeler to get all the way.
The rescued often come to our monthly SAR meetings to say thanks and to flesh out their stories. I hope this is the case with this one.
I am of the opinion that part of the reason the 911 call was canceled was that the party was worried they would be billed for the rescue. The previous search nearby this summer, but in fair weather, had the missing person trying to hand out $20 bills to all the searchers as he said he was worried he was to be billed.
I do not like all the talk of billing victims for this reason. It makes people wait longer to call and increases the likelyhood of a true emergency. The volunteers that go on these searches just love to do it. Often the only government expense on a small search is the coordinating deputy's salary. salary
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