#150986 - 10/05/08 09:48 PM
Islanders who insisted on staying died in Ike
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Pooh-Bah
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#151003 - 10/06/08 12:23 AM
Re: Islanders who insisted on staying died in Ike
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Geezer
Registered: 01/21/04
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If Ike hadn't killed them, one of the next ones probably would have, because they would have stayed for that one, too.
They say the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. I guess the road to the cemetery is paved with stubborn self-righteousness.
You pays your money and you takes your chances.
Poor baby, poor pets.
RIP, Fools... 'tis a pity your families can't.
Sue
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#151006 - 10/06/08 01:40 AM
Re: Islanders who insisted on staying died in Ike
[Re: Doug_Ritter]
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Loc: Augusta, GA
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The "no fly zones" are normally made to assist in controlling rescue aircraft. However, I was under the impression there were altitude limits on most of them after disasters. Anyone have copies of NOTAMs for that time period? They should have been published and detail the effective altitudes. There is also no reason that helicopters engaged in news gathering activities could not be permitted, with prior notification, from being in a "no fly zone". This would keep any other "sightseeing" aircraft out of the way, but protect the 1st Amendment right of freedom of the press. http://tfr.faa.gov/tfr2/list.html Nothing shows up for Temporary Flight Restrictions on this list. Perhaps it only shows active ones.
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#151026 - 10/06/08 10:34 AM
Re: Islanders who insisted on staying died in Ike
[Re: ki4buc]
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Registered: 08/14/05
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While it is tragic that such deaths have happened, I do not feel badly for these people.....their families....yes.
We see it a lot here in Fl. People think....oh they (meteorologists) were wrong that Hurricane XYZ was going to hit us and it didn't (for whatever reason).....then the next time they think...oh they'll just be wrong again.....or they 'forget' what it was like after the last one hit.....so they stay.....then they call us to come get them, despite the repeated warnings they were given......it reminds me of the joke about the guy who refuses to evacuate during (insert major event here). He keeps telling his neighbors "G_d will save me." NOAA alert, Weather forecaster, neighbor, rescue boat and ultimately (while the guy is on his roof) a SAR Helicopter all come by to 'rescue' him and he tells them all, "G_d will save me." He drowns. Upon reaching heaven he meets G_d and asks him why he didn't save him. G_d replies, "What!?! NOAA, a meteorologist, your neighbors, a boat and a helicopter WEREN'T ENOUGH!?!"
They'll continue to do it......"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson ....so to it seems that 'some' people need to have these deaths occur so to remind them that things like this not be taken lightly.
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#151029 - 10/06/08 11:23 AM
Re: Islanders who insisted on staying died in Ike
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#151033 - 10/06/08 01:31 PM
Re: Islanders who insisted on staying died in Ike
[Re: ki4buc]
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There is also no reason that helicopters engaged in news gathering activities could not be permitted, with prior notification, from being in a "no fly zone". If I were working airborne SAR, I'd want them kept as far away as possible. Once their allowed in and are in the air, it's hard to keep them out of the way of legitimate SAR aircraft.
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#151034 - 10/06/08 01:34 PM
Re: Islanders who insisted on staying died in Ike
[Re: Susan]
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Registered: 02/06/04
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Unfortunately, we all must pay for their chance taking.
I wonder, if you take out a life insurance policy, then commit suicide, doesn't that pretty much void the liability? Why would it be any different for those who refuse to avoid the threat and stay where they don't belong? And yet, we insist on bailing them out or worse.
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#151041 - 10/06/08 02:09 PM
Re: Islanders who insisted on staying died in Ike
[Re: Susan]
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I am not a P.P.o.W.
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Registered: 05/16/05
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If Ike hadn't killed them, one of the next ones probably would have, because they would have stayed for that one, too.
They say the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. I guess the road to the cemetery is paved with stubborn self-righteousness.
You pays your money and you takes your chances.
Poor baby, poor pets.
RIP, Fools... 'tis a pity your families can't.
Sue Well said. Those who left, lived.
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#151060 - 10/06/08 05:09 PM
Re: Islanders who insisted on staying died in Ike
[Re: benjammin]
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Journeyman
Registered: 05/28/06
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for those who refuse to avoid the threat and stay where they don't belong? And yet, we insist on bailing them out or worse. I believe the whole western world is taking this freedom of speech, actions too liberally without a dose of common sense. It is their freedom to make any decisions, including the decision to stay. Too bad if they ignore evaucation order and realise their decision was wrong and had to paid the ultimate price and perish. I guess we had to respected their choice if they want to prove darwin theory is right.
Edited by firefly99 (10/06/08 05:15 PM)
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#151089 - 10/06/08 09:21 PM
Re: Islanders who insisted on staying died in Ike
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Geezer
Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
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Yeah, old Harry Truman. Pity about his cats, though.
Sue
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#151097 - 10/06/08 10:15 PM
Re: Islanders who insisted on staying died in Ike
[Re: benjammin]
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Cranky Geek
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Registered: 09/08/05
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My insurance policy has a "intentional recklessness" clause in it, or as it was explained, the "sky diving and bull fighting clause".
Given what I know and what I preach, staying around for a storm like that would qualify.
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When a man dare not speak without malice for fear of giving insult, that is when truth starts to die. Truth is the truest freedom.
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#151138 - 10/07/08 10:02 AM
Re: Islanders who insisted on staying died in Ike
[Re: firefly99]
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Registered: 04/29/08
Posts: 285
Loc: Israel
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for those who refuse to avoid the threat and stay where they don't belong? And yet, we insist on bailing them out or worse. I believe the whole western world is taking this freedom of speech, actions too liberally without a dose of common sense. It is their freedom to make any decisions, including the decision to stay. Too bad if they ignore evaucation order and realise their decision was wrong and had to paid the ultimate price and perish. I guess we had to respected their choice if they want to prove darwin theory is right. Yes, you did. There is no need to drip sarcasm.
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