O.K. college boy, as a self avowed multi tool nut the issue is moot, now isn't it? <img src="images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> ( public speaking and debate 101) As to semantics, I believe Doug means the two tools combined are a complete substitute. Then again , I may be wrong. The emails exchanged to proofread upcoming reviews leads to Webster, old writing style texts and Joyceian stream of unconsciousness <img src="images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />