Equipped To Survive Equipped To Survive® Presents
The Survival Forum
Where do you want to go on ETS?

Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 >
Topic Options
#149202 - 09/16/08 04:55 PM Study: Some Water Bottles Linked to Diabetes
Themalemutekid Offline
Enthusiast

Registered: 11/17/06
Posts: 351
Loc: New Jersey
An ubiquitous ingredient in plastics has been linked to diabetes and heart disease in adults, according to a study being released today, heightening concerns about the widespread use of the chemical BPA. Otherwise known as Bisphenol-A, BPA is the chemical once studied as a synthetic form of estrogen, but more recently known to leach out of some plastic water bottles and baby bottles, and that is found in all kinds of plastic products.

Yet another reason to avoid some plastics... Link to full story. I'll stick to my SS bottles.
_________________________
....he felt the prompting of his heritage, the desire to possess, the wild danger-love, the thrill of battle, the power to conquer or to die. Jack London

Top
#149209 - 09/16/08 05:38 PM Re: Study: Some Water Bottles Linked to Diabetes [Re: Themalemutekid]
Grouch Offline
Enthusiast

Registered: 07/02/08
Posts: 395
Loc: Ohio
It's good that you pointed this out but prior negative reports on BPA is the reason that there is now a BPA-free version of Nalgene bottles. While the study may be new, it isn't the first suggestion that BPA is bad for us and it's the reason that I've decided to switch to stainless steel.

Top
#149218 - 09/16/08 06:38 PM Re: Study: Some Water Bottles Linked to Diabetes [Re: Grouch]
DesertFox Offline
Enthusiast

Registered: 01/04/07
Posts: 339
Loc: New York, NY
The BPA you get from Nalgene bottles is proabably only a small fraction of what is out there in food container linings etc. The last line of the article hits the nail on the head.

"Unfortunately, in this country, I don't think BPAs in food containers pose a fraction of the threat to heart health as most of the food products that they contain," said Dr. Daniel Edmundowicz, director of Cardiovascular Medicine at UPMC Passavant Hospital in Pittsburg, Pa.

"Said another way -- I think the BPAs in a container of butter pose less risk than than butter itself," Edmundowicz said.


Top
#149300 - 09/17/08 03:11 AM Re: Study: Some Water Bottles Linked to Diabetes [Re: DesertFox]
jshannon Offline
Addict

Registered: 02/02/03
Posts: 647
Loc: North Texas
The report is probably BS.

Top
#149301 - 09/17/08 03:13 AM Re: Study: Some Water Bottles Linked to Diabetes [Re: DesertFox]
Art_in_FL Offline
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 09/01/07
Posts: 2432
I think the take-away quote from the article is:
"This type of research is valuable to point to potential toxins in the environment -- only further studies will confirm if this is a concern or not," said Dr. Gordon Ewy, chief of cardiology at the University of Arizona College of Medicine in Tucson, Ariz."

One such test, even a large and well designed one, is not the final word. If it makes you feel better to work on avoiding such plastics then your free to do so. If this means fewer people use bottled water it would be a good thing even if this link was shown to be nonexistent.

I would point out that Diabetes was around long before these plastics and certainly normal exposure doesn't automatically mean your afflicted. It may, to some unknown degree, increase your risk but the effect is, at worse, clearly on the margins.

Top
#149305 - 09/17/08 04:14 AM Re: Study: Some Water Bottles Linked to Diabetes [Re: Art_in_FL]
Todd W Offline
Product Tester
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 11/14/04
Posts: 1928
Loc: Mountains of CA
I was trying to pin-point my problems :P
_________________________
Self Sufficient Home - Our journey to self sufficiency.

Top
#149311 - 09/17/08 11:39 AM Re: Study: Some Water Bottles Linked to Diabetes [Re: Todd W]
Themalemutekid Offline
Enthusiast

Registered: 11/17/06
Posts: 351
Loc: New Jersey
I don't wear tinfoil hats nor do I hug trees , but the bottom line is: Disposable plastic bottles are most definitely bad for our environment & quite possibly bad for our health. So why contribute more trash to our landfills?? And why consume more chemicals into our bodies, when there are better alternatives out there?
_________________________
....he felt the prompting of his heritage, the desire to possess, the wild danger-love, the thrill of battle, the power to conquer or to die. Jack London

Top
#149315 - 09/17/08 12:26 PM Re: Study: Some Water Bottles Linked to Diabetes [Re: Themalemutekid]
thseng Offline
Old Hand

Registered: 03/24/06
Posts: 900
Loc: NW NJ
Originally Posted By: Themalemutekid
I'll stick to my SS bottles.

Just for fun, try googling for an MSDS for Stainless Steel:
...
II. HAZARDOUS INGREDIENTS
Ingredient CAS # Form OSHA/PEL (mg/m3) ACGIH/TLV (mg/m3)
Aluminum 7429-90-5 Dust, fumes - 10.00, 5.00
Carbon 1333-86-4 As carbon black 3.50 3.50
Chromium 7440-47-3 1.00 .50
Cobalt 7440-48-4 .10 .10
Copper 7440-50-8 Dust, fumes 1.00, .10 1.00, .20
Iron 1309-37-1 PEL-iron, oxide fumes, TLV-as Fe 10.00 5.00
Manganese 7439-96-5 Dust, fumes 5.00, -- 5.00, 1.00
Molybdenum 7439-98-7 Insoluble compound 15.00 10.00
Nickel 7440-02-0 1.00 1.00
Niobium 7440-03-1 5.00 5.00
Phosphor 7723-14-0 Yellow .10 .10
Silicon 7440-21-3 Respirable dust -- 5.00
Sulfur 7446-09-5 As sulfur dioxide -- 5.00
Tin 7440-31-5 2.00 2.00
Titanium 13463-67-7 As titanium dioxide 15.00 5.00
Tungsten 7440-33-7 Insoluble compound -- 5.00
Vanadium 1314-62-1 Dust, fumes (as vanadium pentoxide) .50, .10 .05, .05
...
V. HEALTH HAZARD INFORMATION
Acute Effects: Welding and high temperature cutting may produce dust and fumes. Short-term exposure may cause nausea, fever, irritation of eyes, nose, throat, skin; metallic taste.
Chronic Effects: Long-term exposure to welding fumes, gases or dust may result in skin sensitization, neurological damage and respiratory disease.
Effects of Exposure:
Inhalation: Inhalation of excessive fume or dust concentrations may result in respiratory tract irritation.
Eyes: Mechanical irritation may result from an accumulation of dust particles in the eye.
Skin: Some skin irritation may result form exposure to dust.
Ingestion: Some constituents may be harmful if swallowed.
Symptoms of Exposure: Metallic taste, fever, loss of consciousness due to welding gases.
...
Carcinogenicity: Chromium, nickel and chromium-cobalt alloys have been identified by the international agency for research on cancer as potential cancer-causing agents.
...
_________________________
- Tom S.

"Never trust and engineer who doesn't carry a pocketknife."

Top
#149325 - 09/17/08 01:19 PM Re: Study: Some Water Bottles Linked to Diabetes [Re: jshannon]
OldBaldGuy Offline
Geezer

Registered: 09/30/01
Posts: 5695
Loc: Former AFB in CA, recouping fr...
I don't know. But I do think that something that we eat, breathe, drink (or drink from) is the cause of the high, and getting higher, rate of autism in our country. It could be something as simple as plastic bottles...
_________________________
OBG

Top
#149344 - 09/17/08 02:18 PM Re: Study: Some Water Bottles Linked to Diabetes [Re: OldBaldGuy]
Grouch Offline
Enthusiast

Registered: 07/02/08
Posts: 395
Loc: Ohio
One news report on BPA quoted someone from the FDA that said one thing people can do to lower their exposure is to avoid warming food in containers that contain BPA because heat helps to release the chemical. I wonder if it would be possible to extract all of the BPA by boiling the container for an extended amount of time. I realize that there would then be BPA in the resulting vapor but let's put that aside for now and assume that we can deal with that issue.

Top
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 >



Moderator:  Alan_Romania, Blast, chaosmagnet, cliff 
November
Su M Tu W Th F Sa
1 2
3 4 5 6 7 8 9
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30
Who's Online
0 registered (), 491 Guests and 60 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
Aaron_Guinn, israfaceVity, Explorer9, GallenR, Jeebo
5370 Registered Users
Newest Posts
Leather Work Gloves
by dougwalkabout
Today at 05:28 PM
Satellite texting via iPhone, 911 via Pixel
by Ren
11/05/24 03:30 PM
Emergency Toilets for Obese People
by adam2
11/04/24 06:59 PM
For your Halloween enjoyment
by brandtb
10/31/24 01:29 PM
Chronic Wasting Disease, How are people dealing?
by clearwater
10/30/24 05:41 PM
Things I Have Learned About Generators
by roberttheiii
10/29/24 07:32 PM
Gift ideas for a fire station?
by brandtb
10/27/24 12:35 AM
The price of gold
by dougwalkabout
10/20/24 11:51 PM
Newest Images
Tiny knife / wrench
Handmade knives
2"x2" Glass Signal Mirror, Retroreflective Mesh
Trade School Tool Kit
My Pocket Kit
Glossary
Test

WARNING & DISCLAIMER: SELECT AND USE OUTDOORS AND SURVIVAL EQUIPMENT, SUPPLIES AND TECHNIQUES AT YOUR OWN RISK. Information posted on this forum is not reviewed for accuracy and may not be reliable, use at your own risk. Please review the full WARNING & DISCLAIMER about information on this site.