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#148051 - 09/09/08 05:53 AM sort this one out
Chris Kavanaugh Offline
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http://www.sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ys-mmaweektanner090808&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Motorcycle runs out of gas. Blogs about equipment failure that could kill him. No mention of water caches, reliable communications ( PLB) or even reliable friends ( 2 days.)

Western writer Ed Abbey on venturing into the desert "bring lots of water, stay out of the noonday sun, pray frequently."


Edited by Chris Kavanaugh (09/09/08 05:54 AM)

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#148055 - 09/09/08 10:22 AM Re: sort this one out [Re: Chris Kavanaugh]
dweste Offline
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Knowing how likely it is that news coverage is incomplete and innaccurate, I would reserve final judgment on the causes of this event.

The information on hand supports speculation that the individual did not equip his motorcycle with gear and supplies to enhance chances for desert survival in case of misadventure. We can also speculate that he did not do as Chris suggests: set up caches in the area of operation to enhance chances for survival in case of misadventure in an environment known to be unforgiving toward man and his machinery.

Other speculation would wonder if tempting fate was the all too successful goal.

In any event, I wish his spirit peace.

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#148070 - 09/09/08 12:48 PM Re: sort this one out [Re: Chris Kavanaugh]
OldBaldGuy Offline
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Having spent all of last winter in that area (and goin' back again this Jan), all I can say is that is some really rough country, and super hot this time of the year. It would take A LOT of preparation to do what he had planned and survive...
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#148159 - 09/09/08 11:57 PM Re: sort this one out [Re: Chris Kavanaugh]
ironraven Offline
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He was looking to find out what his limits were. *shrugs* At the risk of sounds heartless, he found them.

My big question is his buddies. Waiting two days? I'm sorry, I give you until two hours after dark if you weren't planning on sending the night.
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#148171 - 09/10/08 01:45 AM Re: sort this one out [Re: ironraven]
OldBaldGuy Offline
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"...At the risk of sounds heartless..."

At the risk of sounding even more heartless, I have little sympathy for those who set off totally unprepared to do dangerous things and get bitten in the butt...
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#148181 - 09/10/08 03:02 AM Re: sort this one out [Re: OldBaldGuy]
CityBoyGoneCountry Offline
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Originally Posted By: OldBaldGuy
"...At the risk of sounds heartless..."

At the risk of sounding even more heartless, I have little sympathy for those who set off totally unprepared to do dangerous things and get bitten in the butt...


But he wasn't totally unprepared.

“I plan on going so deep into the desert, that any failure of my equipment, could cost me my life,” he said. “I’ve been doing a great deal of research and study. I want to know all I can about where I’m going, and I want to make sure I have the best equipment.”

"These short trips were not new to Tanner, said Vincitorio. It is something that he has done numerous times over the years."

This time he didn't make it. Sh-t happens. A lot of people have died trying to climb Everest, too. Not because they weren't prepared, but because sometimes mother nature is just a b*tch.

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#148219 - 09/10/08 01:20 PM Re: sort this one out [Re: NightHiker]
dweste Offline
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What it looks like and what it is may be two different things. Still early days in this story.


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#148222 - 09/10/08 01:27 PM Re: sort this one out [Re: CityBoyGoneCountry]
OldBaldGuy Offline
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Maybe "totally" was a little harsh. But he did manage to run his scooter out of fuel (pretty unprepared in my book), and obviously wasn't prepared to make it the two miles (or more) back to his camp...
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#148233 - 09/10/08 02:16 PM Re: sort this one out [Re: NightHiker]
dweste Offline
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Originally Posted By: NightHiker
The details may very well be interesting but the bottom line is the same: a guy went out into the desert alone and died.



Of course, the devil is in the details.

The point is that we do not yet know enough to conclude what preparedness and survival lessons may be accurately and fairly drawn from this story.

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#148238 - 09/10/08 02:47 PM Re: sort this one out [Re: NightHiker]
CityBoyGoneCountry Offline
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Originally Posted By: NightHiker
would have died on his couch watching tv if he had been there instead


That would be a bigger tragedy in my eyes. Rather then spend time condeming a dead man for doing nothing but living life the way he wanted, why don't we respect that he had the guts to live life rather than be a walking dead.

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